I'm not going to butt in here and defend The Rasmus like some obsessive fan but I really do think that they're honest guys who are trying to make it in rock and yes they are a bit of a pop-rock cross over but thats their style. They obviously have a hell of a lot of fans which says that they must be doing something right. For people like me, who prefer HIM, they will always seem like a 'fad'. Infact I feel kind of annoyed by them because I loved them when they came out and now they just seem so boring and I realise now that to a lot of rockers they were just a fad. If they were ever going to make a good, long-lasting impression here (england) they should have come out with 'Into' rather than 'Dead Letters'. They are more pop-punk than goth. And I think they've tried to do something with 'Dead Letters' that wasnt really them. So yeah, nice try guys but I think you left it a little too late.
In saying that I believe that they are all really talented people, especially Pauli and Aki. I think they are wasting away as members of The Rasmus, they should just join another bands or something... but thats just me.
>>By PatchworkDove (Wednesday, 7 Jul 2004 17:16)
My defenition of good music:
Honest music, that doesn't need poser pictures and feathers in video clips but tells it's story and toughes only by the music itslf. I prefer to be surprised by music, which means that there is an element that you wouldn't expect in the music. I like bands to sound as if they are the only one doing this song, not to hear a song and think I have heard it before. Innovation is nice though not a pre. To name some examples of bands that fit my defenition: Slint, Godmachine, Sophia, Trans Am, Damien Jurado, Mercury Rev, Nick Cave and the Bad seeds (early work), dEus etc etc. They were or are bands that brought something new when they released their music. And that manage to tough me trough the music. There is no way that The Rasmus will ever fit in that line of musicians... (Elvis Costello does belong with the good music btw, thanks for naming him)...
So don't tell that I don't know what is good music. My good music just isn't yours, and I am free to say so (I hope).....
>>By Joris Spikkelaar (Wednesday, 7 Jul 2004 18:48)
PLEASE don´t define them as a PUNK-pop band!!! These guys have nothing NOTHING to do with punk! You´re killing me!
>>By NoNations (Wednesday, 7 Jul 2004 22:24)
Actually Joris Spikkelaar, I have never even heard of some of the "good music" you talked about!
>>By Naughty Girl! (Sunday, 11 Jul 2004 18:39)
speaking for Joris spikkelaar. I think that says more about you then about him. I know all the bands he mentions. But that might also be because you are 15 and he is 27 (as am I btw). But actually I am quite surprised you say you know none of them, not even Nick Cave? Mayeb this could be a nice moment for you to go to a recordstore or just some MP3 server, and learn about these bands. Most of the bands Joris names are really worth it, at least in my opinion.......... Don't wait to hear about music with what the market offers, but then youy will always be stuck only with the shit like Rasmus. Dive into the world of the small indie bands and you will find some very surprise good bands, with a much more original swing in their sound then the average radio hit band (or MTV wonder)............
>>By Campking (Sunday, 11 Jul 2004 18:50)
When you never heard of beefsteak, it doesn't mean that when somebody says that it is better then the schnitzel you are eating, that this person is wrong. (and don't give me an excuse that you are vegetarian).
Somebdy said I had no taste in music, since i didn't think Rasmus was good music. I just came out sayuing that I have a different taste in music, which is maybe even more refined, since I took some time and effort to discover good music for myself, instead of being fed by MTV and commercial music radio in what I should like.
So if I were you I would follow the idea of camping and check out the bands I named before saying that you don't know the bands, and so implying that if these bands aren't popular I must have a bad taste in music. Or don't know what is Good Music.
As I recall well I ended with a remark that ment as much as this is what I think is good, you don't have to agree. But in order to (not) agree you must know what you (dis)agree with. Just saying you don't know it, means nothing but ignorance from your side. Go out and get to know it, and then tell me if you like or not.
You might even find that the bands I named are amongst the most influential bands of the last 15 years. (something I think will never be the case with the Rasmus)
>>By Joris Spikkelaar (Sunday, 11 Jul 2004 21:46)
I went and found out about some of the bands you talked about and some of them are really cool so i´m sorry i shouldn´t have said anything without knowing...
>>By Naughty Girl! (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 11:35)
I hope the rest here will find that same inspiration. Internet gives you all the opertunty to broaden your horizon, so go ahead and find your own music.
>>By Joris Spikkelaar (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 12:23)
Well, I prefer beefsteak, but that's only for moral reasons similar to vegetarianism so I suppose you're not interested.
I have to say I have also heard of none of those bands (except Mercury Rev, which I adore). So Campking, I don't know why you're surprised that Naughty Girl! had never heard of Nick Cave. Neither have I... I think the problem with going out looking for music is that a lot of the indie bands you find are just as bad as pop which is currently being thrown at you by the market. That's why I prefer rock music - a lot of the really talented bands are popular enough simply because they're great, rather than being manufactured or commericalised like the Rasmus.
>>By Flake 1.6 (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 12:27)
Actually Flake 1.6,
I found out about Joris Spikkelaar´s music and it´s really cool. You should do the same!!!!!!
>>By Naughty Girl! (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 12:44)
Nick Cave had a huge hit 5/6 years ago, singing a duet with Kyle Minogue. Where the wild rose grow is what I think was the title of that song. He plays in halls that are over 2000 people, when he does live shos. So yes I am surprised that someone who does know Rasmus (that one year ago played in the netherlands in halls maximium size 800 people) doesn't know a guy like Nick Cave who did make the charts (unlike the other bands named by Joris).
Most important with looking for music is: you must have a starting point or a good reference. When I started with my music co9llection (which is something like 17 years ago) I started reading the music mags, first only one, but at a certain point I would read all the reviews in most dutch magazines. Next to that I listened to the Late night music programs, the once that played music that didn't make it during the day program, as I recall well you are British Flake, so you could go and listen to the night night program of BBC Radio and you will find there are somevery nice radio programs there.
When you will do this you wil find that there are lots off things offered to you. By now, you can also just plugin on internet radio, for example www.noloveforned.com and listen to those internet broadcast, mostly done by audiophiles like me.
And when you do all this, you will find what sources fit to your own taste, which reviewers are trustworthy, which radioprograms give you good openings in to music world.
This ofcourse is not the end in your search for good music. Important is that you trust your ears. Because, yes it is true: there is alot of bad stuff out there. As mediocre as the Top of the Pops bands, but to know the difference is between good and bad is all up to you.
One last thing on Indie: Rock can be indie. Indie once was only a short for Independent bands, now 15 years later I know it is also used to refer to a certain sort of band, but when I use the term indie I still just refer to the INdependent music business, which can be any kind of (guitar) music.
>>By Campking (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 14:46)
Btw, the first two records I bought (when I was 10) were The beatles (the beatles) and Iron Maiden (Iron Maiden), so one can say that eventually everyone can still get on his right feet, even if your choices now might seem horrible to me.
>>By Campking (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 14:48)
Mercury Rev is a great band, do you only know their later work, or are you also familiar with their first records? My personal fav is Lego my Ego/Yerself is Steam, their first record. It is a master piece, totall hysteria, sounds coming from everywhere and totally no logical in the lyrics, it is one of the funniest albums ever made, and that without becoming corny. Unlikely I never saw them live, but I have heard they are also a great live band, and judging from what I saw on the telly, this must be true. so when they come near a place to your house, go and see them.
>>By Joris Spikkelaar (Monday, 12 Jul 2004 15:53)
I don´t think Mercury Rev will come to Spain, but if they do, count on me, I´ll be there!!!
>>By Naughty Girl! (Tuesday, 13 Jul 2004 12:07)
why does everybody hate the rasmus so much?!i am asking,cause i've only heard one song,i am not dying to hear some more,but to hate them so much....?do they make their own music?
uhm,Joris Spikkelaar,i would like to comment on something you said..."My defenition of good music:
Honest music, that doesn't need poser pictures and feathers in video clips..."-that wa stupid!i can tell you why i think so too,and if you're really interested may be i can explain to you in private.cause,really,there is no need to start a discussion from the sort of "video killed the radio star"
>>By Eli_Molko (Wednesday, 14 Jul 2004 04:10)
YTou have video, and you have posers, that's not the same. Going running around with feathers in your hair doesn't classify to me as honest, nor as not rying to be a poser. For me it adds nothing to the music, which a video should do.
>>By Joris Spikkelaar (Wednesday, 14 Jul 2004 12:28)
what is it about ya know? the rasmus HIM , both great bands . anyways, i just picked up dead letters today and noticed that the first three songs are fuzzy , i was just wonderong if all the cds are like that or if mine was messed pu some how
>>By brokenvalo666 (Saturday, 31 Jul 2004 04:46)
hey - im new to this - the rasmus just came out here (new zealand) and i like them - that is why i am here - but why are so many ppl here who dont like them? and not to butt in on sum1 elses covo - but i had never herd n.e of the bands Joris Spikkelaar talked about (or for that matter HIM) - so i have no coment - i have read what happns to ppl if they have one about a bands they dont no - and i agree - you cant have an opineon on something you dont no n.e thing about - that would be like me trying to pass coment on the ummmm the public transport in London or sumthing - i have no clue :)
well thats all i have to say - oh - sorry 4 my spelling :(
^-^ Lion ^-^
>>By Lucy Lion (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 14:14)
hey everyone im from australia and i absolutly love The Rasmus, got 3 of their albums they're awesome.
>>By mxchic (Sunday, 8 Aug 2004 07:33)
Is their old stuff better, do you think? Exclude In the Shadows from this question because I think it is a song too far gone into the realms of pop...
>>By Sk8a H8a (Sunday, 8 Aug 2004 12:59)
i dont likeany of it really any more than any others ,, but i do like in the shadows , not sure why i just do....
>>By brokenvalo666 (Tuesday, 10 Aug 2004 22:48)
i like tha dead letters album - but thats the only one we have here so i have nothing to compare it with.
^-^ lion ^-^
>>By Lucy Lion (Wednesday, 11 Aug 2004 14:18)
In their homeland they are momentarily being pissed on, actually most people their are surprised that they made it so big all of a sudden, so I guess their older records aren't any good either. But I should hear them to know that for real.
>>By Campking (Wednesday, 11 Aug 2004 15:40)
i wish they had the older stuff out here - as i dont have a credit card - all i can listen to is dead lrtters - dont get me rong - i love the cd - but i have read so much about their other cds - and i want to hear them - stupid new zealand . . .
>>By Lucy Lion (Thursday, 12 Aug 2004 13:02)
You might try downloading them at soulseek, www.slsk.org I am sure someone must have them there.
>>By Campking (Thursday, 12 Aug 2004 15:13)
there's no dought about it HIM are the better group the rasmus have a more commercial sound. They both share the same manager who used to manage hanoi rocks ( hands up if you remember them) the singer off the rasmus looks like the guy off the virgin prunes (bet u don't know them either)
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 13 Aug 2004 01:46)
The virgin prunes was a band from Dublin that started in the late 70ties and made a nice reputation, mostly live in the early 80ties. When I reacll well their debut album is called "..when I die, I die". I think my girlfriend has it either on tape or on vynil. Must admit that I don't recall the music, but if I do my best I thikn it was some harder form of wave, wave with the stooges? 80ties were never my piece of cake, so if I wanna go any further then recalling the name I should go and get informed by my girlfriend or my small brother.
>>By Campking (Friday, 13 Aug 2004 13:43)
I have them on an ancient video there are two guys and one is the double of the rasmuss singer (sorry whats his name i dont know )
>>By scarletnikki (Saturday, 14 Aug 2004 20:16)
Lauri's his name lol. Don't kill me but I've never heard of the virgin prunes. I'm only 16 and relatively new to the rock scene.
>>By i_love_lauri (Tuesday, 17 Aug 2004 19:11)
well they were like a lifetime ago!
>>By scarletnikki (Tuesday, 17 Aug 2004 19:41)
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