System Of A Down
what!? they're racists? how do u know? care to elaborate..?
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>>By ania (Tuesday, 23 Mar 2004 15:16)
They walked up to me and called me a 'nigga'. I was gutted.
After all this time thinking I was white.
>>By Undertone (Tuesday, 23 Mar 2004 15:21)
eem....confused a bit...they're racists???....they walked up to you and called you that and you're white..?...
what does it mean anyway what color you are....who cares...death comes anyway...we don't change anything...
>>By HY - (Tuesday, 23 Mar 2004 20:26)
well... I still don't understand how they could behave like that after all those lyrics and anti-war comments....etc. Also...They are always expressing their hate towards Turkish people wherever they go..they don't give any concerts in Turkey and even their official forum doesn't accept Turkish members... whenever you push that button a silly sentence comes up to your face saying that Turks are not admitted...
Besides..they have made a few silly comments against black ppl...
I love their music..I really do!!!...but It doesn't make any of this acceptable.... people should be responsible for what they do and who they are... not for their skin color or race.... or whatever... arghh... that makes me sick!
>>By bluedatura (Wednesday, 24 Mar 2004 04:23)
That's just because of the Armenian Genocide.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 24 Mar 2004 08:55)
Actually who killed more ppl is still a question... what my grandpa says and what the history books say are completely diffferent. I don't care.......Either way. It wasn't me or you who killed lotsa ppl....
>>By bluedatura (Wednesday, 24 Mar 2004 15:23)
the lead singer looks like a poor homeless guy. you just want to give him spare change or buy him food if you saw him on the street. but the music's great.
>>By eatengold (Monday, 29 Mar 2004 10:52)
the music is great i dont know about all this racist stuff though
>>By therion (Monday, 29 Mar 2004 15:34)
You guys are all prejudiced towards people who share different views.
You shouldn't judge people by what race they choose to hate, this is the 21st century.
>>By Undertone (Monday, 29 Mar 2004 23:21)
Damn straight. Killing millions of people is not socially acceptable. Hating their entire country for it is.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Tuesday, 30 Mar 2004 08:47)
i dont hate anyone except for a certain whitehouse president
>>By therion (Tuesday, 30 Mar 2004 16:09)
Who, George Dubya? What's he ever done to you eh?
Anyway, if you take their lyrics to mean that they are against racism, you're probably doing what a lot of people like to do and interpreting them in a way that suits you.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Tuesday, 30 Mar 2004 18:09)
i have no idea if their racist or not and george dubya is a moron
>>By therion (Tuesday, 30 Mar 2004 21:54)
Undertone, I guess you are somehow right... Maybe, I shouldn't judge.... but if someone judges me without even knowin me then It hurts me so much and I can't help it... but I'm not a very very angry one who throws shit at them although they do that to other ppl.... I accept that they are making good music....but It's just what they seem to defend and what they do are completely different from each other... I just wanted to share afew words on that...that's all about that...
>>By bluedatura (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 03:48)
Music's good, lyrics are good, racism sucks. However, it is a fact of life. Really, in the 21st century, you have to live with racism. It's not against the law, although maybe it should be. But the fact is that you can't yet control what people think; if System of a Down think that Turks suck, maybe the answer is to deny your Turkishness or deny System of a Down another fan... They do still sell CDs in Turkey, don't they?
>>By Sk8a H8a (Monday, 5 Apr 2004 17:01)
just wanna know what people think of the first album, i love toxicity and steal this album and i love the music of the first album but i find the lyrics harder to interpret then the others, anyone share my pain?
>>By Too Smart for a nickname (Monday, 5 Apr 2004 17:46)
Have fun listening to S.O.A.D. while celebrating the 9/11 attacks on America’s civilians.The music is a perfect soundtrack to your sorry life.
Crank it up Malice…. You are a fucking idiot.
F*** YOU AntheMofo for talking politics and pissin me off.
F*** YOU for thinking that Armenians are a group of morons that would actually celebrate 9/11 attacks. F****** homer. I lost a friend at 9/11 you jackass.
F*** YOU For writing an essay.
F*** YOU For not understanding History. Romans fought with everyone to you ass, so did the Persian and Egyptians and many before and after them. Unlike other Empires, Armenia never ruled and manipulated other cultures, that's our sin.
F*** YOU For not knowing why we've had problems with most our neighbors, Read history asshole, we were always the underdog.
F*** YOU----- Many nations accepted christianity too? does that make them bad people? Although I do agree that religion sucks, but before Armenian christians there were jew christians, roman christians, greek christians, etc....If you listen to SOAD you'll know were not too happy about religion and what it did to our people.
F*** YOU for saying "have you ever seen an Armenian help America" and assuming that SOAD doesn't vote. Even if they don't vote, neither do millions of Americans. I help America everyday asshole, by being human.
SHORT LIST of FAMOUS ARMENIANS IN AMERICA
*Dennis Agajanian-One of America's most popular gospel singers. Sings at the "Harvest Crusade".
*Andre Agassi -Ranked #1 in the world in 1995. Has won the Wimbledon, the US Open, the French Open, and an Olympic Gold Medal
*Ross Baghdasarian-Creator of "The Chipmunks". Alvin Simon and Theodore, a popular children's cartoon. The "Chipmunks Christmas Album" is a classic.
*Dr. Raymond Damadian-Inventor or MRI diagnosis machine.
*Arshile Gorky-Gorky has been called both the last of the great Surrealists and the first of the Abstract Expressionists. His work was vital to the emergence of a specifically American school of abstract art
*Ara Parseghian-Previous Notre Dame Football Coach, national championships in 1966 and 1973
*William Saroyan -Won a Pulitzer Prize for the play "The Time of Your Life" which he turned down.
you want a bigger list, email me!!!!!!!!!!!!
F*** YOU because Armenians kept Muslim extremists out of Europe, before the new world was even discovered. Armenia was fighting extremists and Seljuk maneaters before your genes were even formed.
F*** YOU for talking against free speech(SOAD LYRICS), I'm more American then you.
F*** YOU for saying quote "How stupid is this country?
Can they possibly produce anything good or do anything right?
Why doesn't S.O.A.D. help THIER homeland if it is so fucking great there?" do you really think SOAD would not help their homeland, who wouldn't help their homeland? you moron.
what do you know about my country? you only think you know after reading cia factbook, and running into some morons, I don't judge Americans by morons like you or governmental facts.
F*** YOU FOR SAYING "I know MANY Armenian women whom I have spoken with apart from their families and THEY say that all of their mothers don't work - a real statement to the lack of contribution to our economy in America "
you MOFO, my mom has worked all her life and still works today, and my grandma died of starvation in WWII supporting two families with both my grandfathers in war. She gave the last portion of her bread to my mom you F***** homer.
And about my hate towards some Turks. I'll quote a poem, written by a Turkish man. Your(AntheM) probably to stupid to understand the meaning but I'll post it anyways in case you have people to guide you.
The Armenian Citizen has not forgiven
the slaughter of his father in the Kurdish mountains,---region in Turkey today.
But he loves you,
because you also won't forgive
those who blackened the name of the Turkish people.
By Nazim Hikmet(A Turk) After this poem, he was locked up in a jail where he was rapped
and killed. Now you know Turkish nature, and why European Union won't accept them. Who do you think blew up all the stuff in Turkey? Al qaida? stop watching CNN. They were all Turks.
F*** YOU for not knowing what Seljuks were capable of and what they did, have you really done research asshole? or only read what Turks pay millions to cover up.
I apologize to all SOAD fans that I had to reply with a long thread or on this topic and for my grammar mistake.
>>By Zombie (Wednesday, 14 Apr 2004 05:24)
thanx for the info Zombie... I have some relatives killed badly by Armenians too... The point is: Am I responsable for what happened in history? or was it in my hands to choose my birth location? Is it me that blows up all the stuff, ha? How can you generalize the personal qualities of a human being to a single race? If you wanna attack me and pour out your hate, you're welcome to my personal flork mailbox... this isn't the right place...
>>By bluedatura (Wednesday, 14 Apr 2004 19:14)
Ah, it's a shame that Turkish fans like yourself have to suffer. Just because you're part of an "evil" country doesn't mean you shouldn't have the opportunity to enjoy SOAD's music. But if they want their revenge on Turkey, that's their call.
By the way Zombie, only Shavo is Armenian. John is a Native American and Serj and Daron are from Lebanon.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 14 Apr 2004 21:14)
it doesnt matter what country your from that shouldnt be an issue its not anyones fault there from one country or the next so zombie can fuck off
>>By Vavin (Friday, 16 Apr 2004 00:54)
Bluedatura, I don't think you got my point. I only hate the turks that deny what happened and hide the truth. And the only reason I posted was because of AntheM and his stupid remarks. If a Turk was to come up to me right now, and say I know that the Armenian genocide happened, I would think of him/her as a friend. If a Turkish men/women says nothing and refuses to talk about what happened, I will ignore him/her, but when a Turk denies what happened and tries to blame it on Armenians, that's when my head starts spinning, but it's okay, because that only fuels my fire, and I will be waiting for a break.
All I want is an apology, for the murder of innocent children, women and civilians, and if I don't get it, then that tells me history will repeat itself, and I haven't seen many Turks besides Nazim Hikmet, that had the courage to stand up and speak the truth against a government that hasn't changed at all since 1890's. I want to feel good to, like the Turks that live on my ancestors soil, like the Turkish youth that doesn't have to think about, why his/her countrymen, women and children were hang, burned alive, heads cut off, raped. I don't want to think about why a human being will take out a mens eyes in front of his kids and wife and make him eat it, for no reason. I want relief, and my anger kills me everyday, because all I can ask for is an apology and even that is to much for the Turkish people, what do you want me to feel, love? As far as I'm concerned, denial is that last phase of a genocide.
What do I do? What do I say? Fuck you and it all goes away?
>>By Zombie (Friday, 16 Apr 2004 04:21)
Bluedatura, I apologize for the relatives that you lost, that you say were killed by Armenians, to me no killing of a human being is justified unless your defending your life, and if the very last remaining million of my people did not stand up against Turkey, I wouldn't be alive today. But I still apologize for the death of your loved ones.
>>By Zombie (Friday, 16 Apr 2004 04:35)
Now I get your point....
...I have been hearing stories from old people telling me just the opposite of what you say... I try to read and I try to learn ... I find so many opposite views that prevents me from discussing about it....but I know that Turkish government is a piece of shit, full of fucking jerks... and I don't find their defence on this subject convincing... but I still don't think that hate and psychological attack is a solution ... there lotsa people here who accept the genocide... and there are also lots of people here who don't know nothing about it or who are just made to believe that It's a bunch of lies...because we don't grow up with this...do you understand? ppl are so ignorant here when It comes to this. Don't blame them for that. It's the system's fault... I mean the government's fault. That's why many people seem to reject it. Besides, If they accept it then they're afraid to get into trouble with the government.
I met so many Armenians who swore at my face when they learned that I'm a Turk. The funny thing is that most of them happened in international peace conferences....They didn't even bother to ask me about this topic ... sorry if I seemed to mix you up with those guys....
Honestly, I APOLOGIZE for whatever happened to innocent ppl. I apologize for the death of your loved ones ....I apologize if the turkish government is still a piece of shit....and I apologize in the name of Turkish people for trying to cover up their ignorance with denial....I hope all the innocent ones who have been killed and tortured rest in peace forever... and I apologize for my bad english :P
and now I think It's time to leave the stage to SOAD discussions... hey I still love their music...
>>By bluedatura (Saturday, 17 Apr 2004 01:23)
you really have nothing to apologize for it's not your fault
>>By Vavin (Saturday, 17 Apr 2004 23:59)
Well, someone has to apologise if you're going to get your apology. And nobody alive today can be said to be to blame for it. So I'm sorry too.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Sunday, 18 Apr 2004 02:53)
Thanks for the apology, it means a lot to me, some might say what's one apology, or an apology period, but It really means a lot to me. I know hate is no way to solve a problem, it only starts more problems, but I can not rinse away all the hate I have inside of me towards your government, there's just too much pain and it will take centuries for my people to forgive and forget. If there were more people like you, it will probably take a year to solve all of our differences. I also know it wasn't just Turks in your government that influenced the genocide, the jews and some kurds were also involved, why were the jews involved to wipe out Armenia? this question has yet to be answered. But it will. SK8a H8a, I think of you not as a friend, but as a brother, now lets end this topic, and talk about SOAD. Amongst truelly educated people there will be no discrimination or hate.
>>By Zombie (Monday, 19 Apr 2004 00:24)
Wow...the cool thing is that I doubt very much that these kinds of talks happen in any other of the forums...they're not good enough!
>>By Zephyr (Wednesday, 21 Apr 2004 18:09)
they most likely dont we seem to be the only ones talking about king and country zombie is an idiot
>>By Vavin (Thursday, 22 Apr 2004 02:27)
Without idiots, there can be no intelligent people. The world would be boring if we were all the same. In fact it would probably really suck.
I've only just seen the video for "Boom!" Is it just me, or does anyone else think that is the coolest music video ever?
>>By Sk8a H8a (Thursday, 22 Apr 2004 09:03)
I am a recent fan of System of a Down, about 8 months new, but I do not get Jet Pilot... what the heck is that about!!!!!????!!!!!
>>By Iceeeyez81 (Monday, 26 Apr 2004 17:20)
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