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Although Metallica made my favourite album ever with "Ride the Lightning", I have to say that Megadeth are better. I hate the Metallica fans who say the Megadeth were a watered-down version. Megadeth were bluesier and had a looser style that allowed more solos and variety. There isn't that much variation within speed metal anyway; you can't blame Mustaine for forming a speed metal band, when he was one of the (sub-)genre's originators. He was envious and that's good. Envy makes you work harder to get back at people and Megadeth would probably never have made so much good music without that envy. Not everyone likes how Mustaine sings, but at least he has his own style, whilst Hetfield is boring same-old-shit style. And those who say that Megadeth followed Metallica blindly seem to have failed to explain someone's point earlier about Megadeth singing about some deep and political stuff. Perhaps I should say that "And Justice for All" was a rip-off of "Peace Sells... but who's Buying". I'm an anti-hunt person [living in Britain] so I appreciate Megadeth for their stance; those who say Megadeth never had their own identity should explain their environmentalist stance away.

Also, Metallica sold out and are so tight with their money. I can't see Megadeth ever sueing online music sites or refusing to do any discounts on any of their albums. I suppose that Metallica had to change their style after 1988, as it was getting old, but they didn't have to sell out so blatantly. Megadeth changed with time, but no-one says they sold out; there is a difference. The Black Album did have some good songs on it, but it had a lot of shit on it.

>>By the edmaster   (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 13:18)

And another thing: "Master of Puppets" was a lite version of "Ride the Lightning" where you can pair up each of the 8 songs on each. The only improvement came with the title tracks. I do indeed love all 8 minutes of "Master of Puppets", but it pisses me off how ppl suck up to that album. It was a good idea to work some classical bits in, but as a classical guitarist, I recognised how bland those sections were [except in the title track of course].

Now I really am finished

>>By the edmaster   (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 13:22)

megadeth are ok

people above are sayin how metallica made shit songs with their albums

i cant think of that many amazing megadeth songs, hanger 18, peace sells, holy wars, maybe a few others but thats about it and they made about 14 albums

with a whole lot of shit with it, truth is both metallica and megadeth have made shit songs, but overall i think metallica have made more and better songs than megadeth, i am not sayin megadeth are sub metallica though, they are both good, anyway u shouldnt all listen to rock, or metal, be more open minded and listen to other stuff, or older rock like hendrix, or listen to some rap, or somthing else
u dont have to belong to one sections of society

>>By bling bling   (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 23:53)

I played guitar. I read all 3 pages of this discussion. Anyway, my opinion as far as Dave and Kirks guitar playing is that Dave is much faster. It's not even close. Kirks plays with way too much waa-waa! I don't like it. Too distorted. I like raw guitar. To me, that's hard rock.
Hendricks was a great innovator but, too many guitar players have taken his style to a higher level. I loved Metallica's 1st album and 2nd. The rest was too soft(Orchestra,posing,selling out). I'm now looking for something as hard and raw as Megadeth. Someone help me! Please Dave...get better and give us something soon! Even walking in a music store is depressing with rap and hip-hop. I'm one of the majority of white guys that don't want to act black! Hard Rock 4-ever! Megadeth come back! Mega-Man

>>By Mega-man   (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 06:02)

I agree 100% with you Mega-man. As another fellow thrasher (and reader of all 3 pages), Hammit cannot even compare with Mustaine in regards to both speed and clarity. And yes, Kirk, drop the CryBaby pedal. If you want to hear authentic, serious guitar talent, while I greatly admire and respect Hammit, you need to look no further than Mustaine.

>>By Fahr Frommpoopen   (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 23:06)

i agree that dave probably is better and faster than kirk but i dont see why people dont like kirk, he hasnt done anything wrong and infact it was because dave got kicked out of metallica thats why he used to not like kirk but he's ok now soo all u megadeth fans should stop bad mouthin him,

why is "...And justice for all" a copy of "peace sells". The songs sound nothing alike, the rythem of the songs sound nothing alike and the lyrics are completly different, by the way i have got both of these albums so im not just talkin shit. anyway "...And justice for all" had really good songs on, And justice for all, to live is to die, blackened. where as peace sells only really had peace sells the rest was no way as good as the metallica album

>>By joe   (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 15:23)

>>why is "...And justice for all" a copy of "peace sells".

It isn't, but what I was doing was doing to metallica fans as they do to megadeth, like the Satanic idea "do onto others as they doth". In other words, on finding something incredibly petty that megadeth did before metallica, I exagerated it into an excuse to dismiss metallica. Megadeth developed a political image before metallica, so I suggested that metallica's "and justice for all" was to imitate the politics that megadeth were employing in "peace sells".

I do not like the album "...And Justice for All", apart from "One". Metallica tried very hard to get progressive in late-80s, beginning successfully but ultimately failing. They simpy weren't good enough to be a progressive band; it was a good idea to mix a few classical sections in, but these parts ended up being so bland that they only diluted the powerful thrash that made "Ride the Lightning" so good. So on failing as a progressive band, what do they do? They go pop! More within their abilities, but not good for us metal heads. It was good to try to become more sophisticated, but you shouldn't ever get out of your depths.

>>By the edmaster   (Tuesday, 8 Jul 2003 20:33)

FUCK! - is this the Metallica or Megadeth discussion? The energy of Megadeth (mostly the R.I.P. period) crushes everything around in the thrash area - the only good thing that Metallica boys James and Lars did to Mustaine was throwing hin out, I don't even want to think there would be no such band as Megadeth...

>>By prime_evil   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 09:32)

This is a nice "kick the fuck out of metallica" page you kids have goin here!! I dont really care whos the best at what..I dont think like that anymore anyway..
I have been a metal fan since 1987 and a guitar player since '88. (how old am I??)
I love metallicas albums with cliff burton but I think james songwriting was influenced firstly by mustaine and then later by cliff who was a classicly trained musician.(Cliff made the rest of the band listen to stuff they wouldnt have listened to on their own!!)When cliff died james lack of songwriting talent was made clear and everything after "Master" shows this, yeah they have some good tracks on the rest, "frayed ends of sanity" and "dyers eve" are 2 of my favoutite metallica songs but I think metallica should have quit when cliff died or else started other bands..James is a great vocalist and rhythm guitarist but not so good at writing good metal songs which is why they "changed" into a rock band..."Ride the lightning" was their best album as far as metal song writing but I would put that down to influences from mustaine and burton.If you look at the song credits you will see mustaines name on the track "ride the lightning". The music from the song "the four horsemen" on "kill em all" was written by mustaine and appears on "Killing is my..." as "Mechanix". you dont see hetfields name on any megadeth credits!! Keep in mind that Metallica had and still have one of the best management teams in the world and marketing is everything!! How else can they still be one of the biggest "metal" bands in the world after releasing only 2 albums between 1991 and 2003 "load" and "reload which I bought hoping that they would wake up but alas, it was not meant to be..."St. anger" has some good riffs but What the hell was lars thinking with that fucking tin can for a snare drum..Its awful!! What a dissapointment !! Its important to change and try new things as a band but metallica changed for the wrong reasons, namely money which is why james hetfield spent most of the 90's drinking, taking drugs and being very angry and unhappy, its not in his nature to be a business man but Metallica inc. forced him into it.....Metallica is an international corporation whereas Megadeth never had that pressure on them so could be about the music..Jason newstead has said that he will be business partners with metallica for the rest of his life...what does that tell ya?? The bigger the band the bigger the machine behind it and the less control the band members have...I have given up on metallica now after "St. anger" and will go and cry while listening to "master" and "ride" boo hoo....I hope Megadeth get back together or at least that mustaine continues musically whic I hope is possible what with his hand and all...

>>By Meathead   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 12:53)

By the way, "rust in peace" is a classic metal album of the highest standards unmatched to this day by anyone..."peace sells" - killer album...Mustaine is a genius and genius is often misunderstood by people who are stupid....Why?...because they're stupid of course...well, thats democracy for ya!!

>>By Meathead   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 13:01)

Metallica Songs by Dave Mustaine
Track: Written by: Released on:
The Four Horsemen Music, lyrics: Hetfield, Ulrich, Mustaine Kill'em All
Jump in the Fire Music, lyrics: Hetfield, Ulrich, Mustaine Kill'em All
Phantom Lord Music, lyrics: Hetfield, Ulrich, Mustaine Kill'em All
Metal Militia Music, lyrics: Hetfield, Ulrich, Mustaine Kill'em All
Ride the Lightning Music, lyrics: Hetfield, Ulrich, Burton, Mustaine Ride the Lightning
The Call of Ktulu Music: Hetfield, Ulrich, Burton, Mustaine Ride the Lightning

Dave Mustaine claimed to have written the main riff of Metallica's "Lepper Messiah" from Master of Puppets, but he never got credit.

>>By Meathead   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 13:32)

<<The black album was what every rock band can only dream of achiving.

And what every heavy metal band can only have nightmares of achieving.

>>By Metallica are sell-out pieces of shit   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 16:24)

megadeth are to light

they aint as heavy as metallica
listen to hanger 18 the only good bits are the solo's

the singin is shit the riffs are crap and the drumin is ok its just not heavy and not as good as metallica.

>>By duh   (Wednesday, 9 Jul 2003 22:54)

I thought some people were ready to call a truce by now on this debate, then this clown above comes along. Early metallica was generally denser than megadeth - true. However, if megadeth did have the same good-but-inflexible approach that metallica had in the early years, then they really would just be carbon copies of metallica, as some nit-pickers think they are anyway [unjustly]. Anyway, Mustaine helped develop that early metallica style. I can see what you mean when you say you don't like the singing, but to say that "the riffs are shit" without any justification is just being provocative. The riffs are great, so suck my cock.

Now let's end this debate. Metallica and megadeth both have strong points and different people differ as to which they like better. THE IDEA THAT MEGADETH ARE A WATERED-DOWN VERSION IS THUS RIDICULOUS. IF THAT WAS TRUE, THIS ARGUMENT WOULD NOT BE TAKING PLACE.

The two bands buried their differences ten years ago, so why don't the fans. Then it can be "The 20 years of shit between metallica and megadeth are over".

>>By pissed off by this point   (Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 11:38)

Now for a more interesting topic: what is the best megadeth song? Or the best album?

>>By pissed off by this point   (Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 11:40)

yes everybody lets stop being a bunch of bitches and make the world a shiny happy place!! ha ha....
Best megadeth album for me...rust in song..tough one....maybe holy wars...i love the energy.....but I have to say "breakpoint" from hidden treasures is a monster track! it should have been on an album...

>>By meathead   (Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 16:25)

megadeth are no way as good as metallica, they aint made as many good songs, dave cant sing and now megadeth and metallica have both failed, S&M although aint hardcore rock and just old stuff re-done is still a good album but now metallica are shit, megadeth however have made shiter songs and have failed right the way through their career only makin in my opinion 2 good songs able to compare with metallica, hanger 18, peace sells. people say "get holy wars" i cant stand that piece of shit, the solo's are good but its not worth it to wade through all the shit to get to the solo's. ur right, dave is probably a better musician than kirk and james but megadeth just dont do it for me and poor old dave probably writes all the songs and thats why they all sound similar.

the best days were the days when dave, cliff, james and lars were together when they all worked together and made good stuff.

overall i think metallica are better but i think dave is cool

>>By dicks   (Thursday, 10 Jul 2003 18:44)

the best metallica was from kill em all to the black album even though the black album didnt have to many good songs on it was well good considering they had lost possibly one of the most influential members of the band

dave was good but if dave was so vital why did the albums get "better" after dave left, i think dave may have been important later on with metallica cus hetfield and urlich have run out of ideas for songs hence we get "st anger" the biggest piece of shit in the world.

megadeth: i dont think their albums are as good as metallica's in the 80's and early 90's however from about 1990 onwards megadeth are better than metallica now cus they have stayed true to what they do rather than creating crap like st anger. "peace sells" the album is good i wouldnt call it a master piece like some of u are it aint that good

>>By meh   (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 18:28)

I love how people bash MetallicA and say Megadeath is better. Lets see megadeath sell out stadiums across the country....oh wait, they cant because they have a fraction of the fans. MetallicA's still kicking ass on the road and in the studio, whats Megadeath doing? Thats right, sitting around with there thumbs up there ass's. Eat shit you fags.

>>By Fat Joe   (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 05:50)

The more fans, the better, eh? So I take it that you think whichever piece of shit is #1 in the charts at the moment [I never check them] is better than metallica? I'd say your idea that metallica have more fans could prove that they sink to the lowest common denominator more often than megadeth.

In case you haven't guessed, I am a misanthrope. Misanthropy does have a lot to do with the more extreme metal. Don't know if any of you megadeth fans are that type or not?

>>By even more pissed off   (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 15:17)

No. 99% of the stuff on the charts blows. It has nothing to do with charts. It has more to do with how many people like MetallicA more, because there obviously a better band. Megadeath couldnt fill stadiums if there lives depended on it, because no one would care enough. MetallicA sells out stadiums even at $85 a ticket, why? Because they are the best metal band ever. I like Megadeath, dont get me wrong, but dont bash MetalicA and try and say there better when its so painfully obvious there not.

>>By Fat Joe   (Sunday, 13 Jul 2003 06:09)

What the hell? More fans immediately insinuates better music?

1. 75% of the fans at a Metallica concert wouldn't know No Remorse or Whiplash if their lfe depended on it.

2. 95% of the fans at a Metallica concert are not familiar enough with the genre to even know who the hell Dave Mustaine is, let alone familiar with Megadeth.

3. Does this mean that regurgitated music performed by no-talent boy bands is better than Metallica - or even at equal footing- since it sell just as many tickets and [disgustingly enough] has just as many fans? (yikes...)

As a guitarist for years, I love both Megadeth and Metallica. (If not, then why did I just dish out $70 for S. Sanitarium - it certainly wasn't to see Limp Bizkit...) Both have thier strong points. And both have weaknesses. St. Anger sucks as a comprehensive album. Period. Anyone that thinks this is good Metallica and likes it is doing so only because the album says "Metallica" on the cover. But Megadeth is equally as guilty for releasing Risk a few years ago. Both of them make rare appearances in my Cd player.

On another note - Holy Wars is definitively my favorite Megadeth song. Hanger 18, Polaris, Ashes in Your Mouth: these songs rank right up there with Battery, Fade to Black, and One for me. There is talent in both of these bands, and any fool making comments bashing either of them is just plain ignorant.

btw - Megadeth is not "sitting around with there thumbs up there asses", Mustaine injured his wrist and is unable to play. This might make it difficult to release something. And what have the done for us lately? Maybe you should check out the Rude Awakenings DVD...

>>By Fahr F.   (Sunday, 13 Jul 2003 07:23)

there is living proof that metallica were better than megadeth listen to the four horsemen and mechainx or however u spell it

mechainx is wank comparred with 4 horsemen

and dont say "dave made the song" - true but that doesnt make megadeth are better

listen to the power in the 4 hoursemen and then the shitness of mechanix to be honest dave sounded better with metallica,

dave my have compossed it but it took a proper band like metallica with dave to make it sound good ur all up ur own asses to much

true "new" metallica really does suck and i agree with that but certainly in the 80's metallica were better, unfortunatly that cant be said now

i dont know why im puttin this cus the 2 cant really be comparred. metallica have only become or tried to become mainstream when they made st anger, the others were different but that doesnt mean mainstream

>>By i dont know   (Monday, 14 Jul 2003 17:22)

megadeath make me wanna suck the shit right outa my boys asshole. I stick my rod right down his throat, his eyes popping out , and then just as his about to choke, I pull out and hit play on the remote and killing and countdown to extinction pulls in and we blow in each others face, fall to the ground laughing hysterically. My plans to kill the next person I see are delayed for another couple of hours.

>>By Blastface   (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 05:00)

In the world of speedmetal megadeth has everyone by the balls!
Dave is true genius and is better than kirk and james and still had
marty friedman to back him up.

>>By king v   (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 11:13)

Oh yeah didn"t Dave beat up james a few times in the early days?

>>By King v   (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 11:19)


>>By king v   (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 11:20)

well,hallo every one! i agree with that opinion that early metellica was better than megadeth,but after r.i.p. megadeth kicks ass mettelica,and that's fact!
i have all metallica's albums exept kill' em all and the last shit. anger,and i daily listen them up,but when i heard cryptic writings,and all another stuff later,metallica became group nr.3 for me,cause group nr.2 for me is testament :)

>>By tomux from lithuania   (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 13:01)

I was cruisin' the net and found what is widely accepted as the top 100 guitar solos of all time by the whole music community, with Hammett in at number 7 with 'One', number 24 with 'Fade to Black' and at number 51 with 'Master of Puppets'. Now everyone has their own opinions but i don't see any Mustaine or Friedman in there!

Besides solos aren't everything, look at 'For Whom the Bell Tolls', it's so frickin' heavy it kicks ass without one.

>>By Poseidon   (Wednesday, 30 Jul 2003 18:15)


I can't beleive people in here are actually comparing megadeth with metallica! I mean i like megadeth and dave mustain is awesome but please hes not faster then kirk i mean goddamn hes not even better then james and he plays rythm. So i suggest you megadeth lovers to get your shit straight. Metallica will always rule.

>>By allhailmetallica   (Wednesday, 20 Aug 2003 17:44)

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