Rage Against The Machine
too bad RATM aren't around to let loose their angst re: the Iraq war
they had it right many years before tho--
"Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?...
....more for Gore [Al] or the son of a drug lord [George Bush Jnr.],
None of the above fuck it cut the cord"
p.s. The last line was when Bush had not been yet elected as presedent.
>>By ftad (Thursday, 5 Aug 2004 17:52)
How old is that song?
>>By Sk8a H8a (Saturday, 14 Aug 2004 22:44)
Battle of LA CD "Released 11/1999" it says on the left
>>By ftad (Monday, 23 Aug 2004 13:57)
Testify it's better...
>>By CHARLOS (Monday, 23 Aug 2004 23:34)
"Lights out, guerilla radio", the perfect explanation of our faulty government. Truth is, the lights are slowly coming on and the youth such as myself is struggling to come to terms with a system we fail to recognize as our own. America is a land that claims to be for the people, but what they fail to tell you is that it only applies if you are white, catholic, make at least $500,000 a year, and live in a square society that degrades lower classes as a rule. WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE NOW? I figure there is no better time than now. It has to be said. RATM's music spoke to the minorities, it screamed "let me speak yuppy scum!" When american goverment bumped in the dead of night we finally had something that bumped back! I say f*** the government and its evil empire. If its really for the people than let them speak.
>>By Green Mountain Boys (Thursday, 2 Sep 2004 18:38)
You know what, Im not done yet. The political system needs to be torn to bits and put back together by the people who actually care about what happens. Rage where are you when the people need a leader, a voice for the emotions that are kept in the pits of everyones stomachs, waiting for the time and the place. Rage had and we lost it.
>>By Green Mountain Boys (Thursday, 2 Sep 2004 18:49)
Okaeey, coz the riff in Guerilla Radio was stolen from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who used exactly the same riff in "Song That Made Us Who We Are Today" a decade previously.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Thursday, 2 Sep 2004 19:39)
Sk8, they also stole the opening riff in Wake Up from Led Zeppelin's song Kashmir, but seeing as Tom Morello is (unquestionably) the greatest guitarist of the last 10 years, I think I can see past that.
Besides, almost all riffs are ripped off nowadays, its just most people don't realise it. I think that the last completely original riff to be truly catchy was the one in Be Quiet And Drive by Deftones.
But yeah, Rage rock. I consider myself pretty experienced when it comes to hip-hop, and I believe Zack to be one of the most talented rappers ever. He didn't even perform to his full potential with Rage, just wait till his solo career kicks off...
>>By Stinkfist (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 19:14)
Tom Morello is not a great guitarist... besides the fact that RATM ripped off the only 2 good things about their music, they're all generally sucky musicians.
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 20:10)
Well I'm sorry to sound insulting, but if you really believe that you know nothing about rock music. I grew up in a town full of classic rock and heavy metal purists, and everyone acknowledged Rage as the next big thing when they hit the scene. They are in fact the most all round talented rock groups since Led Zeppelin.
Tom Morello is a great guitarist. He can write amazing riffs, rip huge solos and his pedal work is second to none. Ask Dave Navarro for gods sake.
Tim Commerford...have you ever actually heard a RATM song? If you have, did you have the bass on your speakers tuned right down or something? This guy is a truly phenomenal bassist. He's definitely up there with John Paul Jones and Flea.
And Brad Wilks also, excellent drummer. Mixes up hip-hop beats with metal drum-rolls, that aint easy.
I won't even start on Zack. He's a god damn poet. Read their lyrics, if you don't admire him, your obviously a close-minded person with no rebellion in you.
You may not like them, and thats cool I'm not trying to convince you to like them, but damn, calling them sucky musicians is completely wrong. You may not dig their music, but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate their talent. If you can't handle Rage's rebellion and power, then you have no right to criticise them.
>>By Stinkfist (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 23:33)
(taken from 'Revolver')
His spit is worth more than her work
Pass the purse to the pugilists
He's a prizefighter
And he bought rings and he owns kin
And now he's swingin'
And now he's the champion.
A spotless domain
Hides festering hopes she's certain there's more
Pictures of fields without fences
Her body numbs as he approaches the door.
>>By Stinkfist (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 23:41)
god i fucking love rage lyrics
>>By idontknowdotcom23 (Friday, 3 Sep 2004 23:44)
Stinkfist: if you come from a town where everyone likes RATM, you clearly have a twisted and biased background. You tell me I know nothing about rock music, while you grew up surrounded by "close-minded" people who don't appreciate a wide range of musical styles...
*asks Dave Navarro* He says Tom Morello sucks.
Tim Commerford is an average bassist.
"Mixes up hip-hop beats with metal drum-rolls, that aint easy" - are you a drummer? You must be, obviously, since you know so much about writing drum beats.
"I won't even start on Zack" - but you did start on Zack! Shame on you. Anyway, he has a WEIRD name. I think the lyrics are really sucky and simplistic and the rap style just doesn't suit. Hip-hop rock is a bad thing.
"can't handle Rage's rebellion and power" - what the Hell? I just have no response to that, it's such a crude thing to say.
Tchock: Is this because Avril's music contains dangerous sound radiation which destroys knowledge of rock music in my brain? I'm not convinced, I'm afraid.
The lyrics in ALL of Rage's songs are ALL really sucky.
>>By Flake 1.6 (Sunday, 5 Sep 2004 17:16)
Yes Flake 1.6. We were all close-minded because a lot of us liked RATM. What a brilliant observation. We were in fact neo-Nazi’s sacrificing Jewish people on the alter of Morello and murdering anyone who refused to accept Zack De La Rocha as a dictator, whilst daubing swastikas on the walls in pig’s blood.
Who the fuck are you to judge me? If you must know, the main reason why they were so popular is because my area is mainly populated by Hispanics/Mexicans, so we identified with Zack’s plight, as the issues of racism and unfairness towards his people that he brings up in his lyrics had been experienced by us. As for him having a ‘weird name’, I find that insulting. He has a Spanish name, and if you have some sort of problem with different cultures that’s so petty, frankly I’m disgusted.
Oh I must apologise, I see you must good friends with Dave Navarro, and it seems that he was in fact lying in his interview when he expressed his admiration for Morello. Thanks for clearing that up.
All four members of RATM are undeniably talented. If you need yet more proof, all of them have received awards or high-rankings in readers/listeners polls certifying their achievement in their particular instrument. Kerrang, Metalhammer, NME and more.
As for the hip-hop rock comment (it’s actually called rap metal), I agree, its bad. Which is what makes RATM so good. They were the exception to that rule. They were good. Very good in fact. I honestly couldn’t give a fuck whether or not you like them, but when you put down and refuse to appreciate such obvious talent…well its just plain sad. I don’t like Nirvana, but I still appreciate and respect them as musicians and song-writers, why can’t you do the same? Maybe your accusing the wrong person of being close-minded.
>>By Stinkfist (Sunday, 5 Sep 2004 18:32)
Even my dad - who is very much into Pink Floyd and Roger Waters and Radiohead, can listen to RATM and say that at least they are talented.
Rap/rock in this case, does go together. And the lyrics not "sucky" as you so eloquently described them. *qoutes all she knows of Avril I Couldn't Play An Insturment To Save My Arse Lavigne*
"She was a girl, he was a boy... he was a skater boy, she said see you later boy..."
"There's a mass without rooves, a prison to fill, there's country's soul - that reads - posts no bills, there's a strike outside and a line of cops outsida the mill, cause there's a right to obey and a right to kill."
Now I'm converted to your way of thinking, Fla8a h8a. Avril Wasn't I So Cool Rhyming The Word Boy With Boy In One Of My God Awful Songs Lavigne is just like whatever!
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 22 Sep 2004 18:00)
Tom Morello is bad-ass.
>>By CherryBombshell (Wednesday, 22 Sep 2004 19:07)
Can't forget aboot their awesome bassist... Tim Commerford...
>>By Grazyl (Thursday, 23 Sep 2004 02:29)
Whatever happened to classical democracy where the Athenians used to put either a white or black pebble into a jar and vote on various decisions.
Seems nowdays, people vote democratically for a leader, but then once they're in office for X many years, they can do whatever they want. Even invade whatever country they want if they like.
Anyway RATM. I thought them and Sepultura were once going to be the seeds of a world revolution. Of all the poor people throughout the world banding together and overthrowing the superpower nations. E.g. Brazilian workers refusing to harvest coffee and be screwed over by Nescafe; lower class Americans of ethnic origin refusing to perform menial labour; French-Polynesians raging against nuclear testing in the past. Who knows; the revolution could still yet take place. But there's no real voice in the form of a band like RATM to achieve this anymore. Who is to say violent revolt is not the answer. In the past, the ancient aristocracies of the day would never have agreed to a peaceful "solution". Revolution was needed for change. And the changes in general were for the better.
I don't advocate violent revolts, but this is sometimes the only alternative to those in plight. I'm not talking about poor people of the USA but people actually impoverished; like most in Africa, many in Asia and in the slums of Mexico. Even if RATM didn't manifest a revolution, it was something to inspire the people and channel their anger into.
>>By ftad (Thursday, 23 Sep 2004 20:28)
look, fact of the matter is that rage says exactly what needs to be said and alot of people out there just dont like to face the truth, and subsequently those are the same group of people who are going to vote for bush. do you see where i'm going with this? alright, so some of the riffs are the same, but its all about the lyrics man, these guys knew what they were talking about and they knew how to get others to see the world for the pit of despair that it really is. fight about something, let someone know how you feel and if they dont like it than you can always beat the f*** out of them.
>>By Scrooge (Wednesday, 29 Sep 2004 08:17)
PLEASE HELP! Can anyone tell me where to find a CD done by Rage? It shows a picture on the front of the disc and says "Best 2000" on it. My boyfriend got it while he was in Kosovo, and it got destroyed. I really want to find another copy. Please post any info..Thank you!
>>By RadGrrrl (Sunday, 10 Oct 2004 00:58)
Its kinna funny that filake 1.6 hasnt said anything after that, good fucking job stinkfist, i agree with everything you said, but.......Tom morello not a good guitarist........haha i will just laught at that statement
>>By cruel_portrait (Wednesday, 13 Oct 2004 15:30)
Why do you say that? I know he's not a convential 'great guitarist' with the big solos and what not, in fact I didn't really rate him very highly either until I saw RATM live and saw how quick he is with his fingers and with his feet on the peddles.
>>By Stinkfist (Wednesday, 13 Oct 2004 18:52)
Tom morello is definatley one of my favorite guitarists, my favourite solo by him has to be the solo on 'bulls on parade' dude when i heard that i thought it was done on the decks or something, that shits inzane
>>By cruel_portrait (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 15:06)
Respect to Tom Morello coz he's a great guitarist, but I don't think his music sounds right with Rage. And what's all this "revolt, motherfucker" about?? Zack de la Rocha just sucks. RATM have lyrics even worse than Good Charlotee.
If he was vocally talented, I'd say that they're using his vocal talent well. But he simply has no talent apart from good timing!
>>By Bitch Fit (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 16:28)
Oh, and Stinkifst, this IS hip-hop rock.
>>By Bitch Fit (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 16:28)
I've never heard the term 'hip-hop rock' in my life. It's ridiculously awkward, and rap metal is an officially recognised genre. Also makes more sense as RATM are a metal band, not rock (there is a difference).
Revolt motherfucker??? He has never said those words. He never refers to his fans as disrespectfully as that. He isn't really trying to incite revolution as such, he's just communicating his (left-wing) political views, and trying to make people think differently about how the world around them is run. I think it's great he was giving the alternative a voice. As for his lyrics 'sucking', thats completely ridiculous. Even if you don't agree with his stance, his use of metaphors, wide vocabulary and sophisticated rhyme structures are undeniably impressive. Only idiots think otherwise.
>>By Stinkfist (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 20:05)
You may not like the rapping of Zach, the guitar of Tom, the drums of Brad or the Bass of Tim, BitchFitterSk8aH8a, but you should at least appreciate that the lyrics, however they are said/sung, are good, and the truth. And in future, "sucking" used to describe Zach's lyrics is just stupid, you kinda need *EVIDENCE* to back up your claims... like how about KNOWING the lyrics...just a little tip... oh yeah, and if you dislike them so much, what is the point of coming on here and saying this, REPEATEDLY - god, this whole page has been devoted to you, well, it's just how you like it I suppose...
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 21:47)
Bitch Fit RATM are rap metal not hip hop rock they have a to hard bass line to be rock anyway
>>By Night wolf (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 09:12)
I am quite surprised that you guys spent soo much time on defending Ratm agaisnt someone who claims to be am April Lasagna fan. Doesn't that already prove him wrong? And then comparing Aprils lyrics with those of Zack is again weird. April doesn't write her own lyrics (alone), even though that might be surprising when you see the weak quality of her lyrics, tey are at most products of co-writership. As for Zack, no he is not a brilliant poet, he won't win the pullitzers or nobel for literature for that matter. But he is very good in bringing his political views under words in an understandable jargon, something which most socialist leaders mostly miss. He knows how to put it to the PEOPLE in a powerfull, clear and direct way. I think that is more important then his rhyme.......
As for RATM being the best (or only good) Rap Metal band (yes rapmetal, as for hip hop rock is an insult and a none excisting term, that you might wanna use for those "Butterfly" guys), I don't agree.
Long before RATM hit the scene there was a good underground band called The Urban Dance Squad. They practically invented the genre, did what RATM did long before the first rehearsal of RATM and most likely have been an influence on RATM.
They also mixed Hip hop with metal riffs and political messages, were great musicians, had most powerfull live show and great records. They had only one big thing against them, they were not American but Dutch. And as far as I know it has only happened to one dutch band ever to have a big big big hit in America and this was THe Golden Earring (yes they are dutch, not american as some americans believe).
Too bad, because The UDS was a great band, and my eyes even better then RATM. But I am biased, I am dutch (and bought the first UDS records when I was 13 or 12, some 15 years ago).
>>By Campking (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 14:03)
Can I please bring a contribution to this as someone who has only heard just enough Rage to judge them and isn't fanatical one way or the other? Well I'm going to because I feel it's my responsibility.
RATM are a good band, needless to say alot better than avril or any of her talentless sk8tr buddies. I think Zack overused a certain vocal technique that went something like:
*angry-sounding-phrase*....... angry-sounding-phrase..... Angry Sounding Phrase!...... ANGRY SOUNDING PHRASE!....... (heavy guitar kicks in) ANGRY-SOUNDING-PHRAAAAAASE!!!!!!!!!!!! --hurgh--! ... rapraprapraprap
That kinda thing seemed to be in every song I heard (which was half of RATM and half of The Battle of LA). Hope people know what the hell I'm talkin about.
>>By Flagg (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 23:27)
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