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yao Eydea is dope yeah thats true but, he can never beat emcee juice , well thats wat i think Juice is one of the best freestylers hes one of my favorite rappers(hip hopper)
>>By jon (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 20:54)
there is a reason that eyedea has a contract and all you punks don't.
He actually HAS skillz.
Please.
Don't ryhme if you don't know how.
I am embarrassed for you all.
By the way, Jon. Eyedea has smoked Juice ( who I respect ), the guy is sick.
>>By shuthtehellup (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 21:14)
did u think i was rhyming when i said that juice is the best? i wasnt rhyming just to tell u
>>By jon (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 06:20)
where can i find lyrics to even shadows have shadows?
>>By Flork (Sunday, 13 Jul 2003 17:42)
well i use to respect eyedea and thought he was tight, until i heard him on a track dissing ludacris, and how can he diss someone more successful in the industry then he is ludacris never said anything about him so whats up with that. i mean he said ludacris needs to respect hip hop because he raps about dacing and in the clud but if eyedea really new about hip hop in the south he wouldnt say that cause that how they do it in the south. Sometimes i wonder why people need to diss other artist they dont know peronally just to make a name i see no other reason for it i guess that what white rappers do, no dissrespect
>>By t (Sunday, 13 Jul 2003 21:47)
its not about success is about style, besides hes local and way better than gay ass ludacris.
RSE is the shit.
big up slug brother ali eyedea and abililitys asop rock murs musab and all the others.
one
>>By a fan (Monday, 14 Jul 2003 23:35)
come on how you going call ludacris gay man that ignorant you couldnt tell me a reason for sayin that.and you said fan that is all about style yeah you right but you use your style to make your success cause its plenty of people who has a good style but everone style is different
>>By t (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 01:19)
man some of you fools are hella stupid..goto emceebattles.com and watch eminem at rap olympics 97 and follow it with his battle against juice, lots of written bullshit and the word motherfucker as a repeating verse :( em in the industry is a product he is definately not hiphop but more of an actor, but homie tried to clown on dilated peoples, what a joke. Oh yeah you can't fuck with the west side when it comes to real hiphop, but right now slug is definately owning it, well to me cause i can relate to his music. AND OH YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT HIPHOP IS, ITS ABOUT BEING FUCKED UP OFF THE O.G to MEXICO PHARMACIES to even beer bonging O.E
>>By koji (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 17:07)
One, Juice never battled Eyedea. If your talking about Juice Vs Supernatural, Supernatural tore Juice apart, besides the last round. Also I know a few Emcee's who can compete with Eyedea, and that's Canibus and Supernatural.
>>By Rip the Jacker (Monday, 21 Jul 2003 02:16)
eyedea is the shit because hes all about originality and telling it the way it is in his head
>>By d (Monday, 21 Jul 2003 21:46)
Yo thanx for the info Stoned, i dono if you'll see this dude but yeah i got msn , it's abstract84@hotmail.com hit it up
Peace
>>By Absolute (Wednesday, 23 Jul 2003 21:18)
Yo, straight up, I don't know who eyedea is....but El-P, Company Flo for that matter, are the illest ('specially El-P).
g
>>By ganji (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 18:50)
Just had to clarify some other shit. Moxxx, that was a whack rhyme. I hate such pretensious fucking rappers, who's style is to talk about what they will do and what's so great about them, so egocentric and shit. . I'll put you in a pine-box blah blah blah, that was cool coming from a naughty-dred smiff-n-wessun in 1994 sound bwouy bureill, but nowadays, you's just a clone, like the roots say. That's why 50 cent is a bitch, because it's dre who pulls his strings like some fuckin puppet, and his IQ is no higher than that of a retard's. Oh, you say that bubble-gum shit isn't right? Well, I've known that for many years now, and I'd rather hear it from one I'd respect like Chuck-D or Rakim or Premier who have been saying that shit for ages, words fallin' on def ears. Oh 50, could you at least enunciate your words like a fuckin MAN who has respect for himself i.e: Guru of Gangstarr. I don't respect a marble-mouth sequacious fuck who communicates and raps for that matter like he 'got shot 9 times' in the HEAD.
Me knows this is a long post....but here's a tip for all you judging the skills of another MC. The best MC's will always rhyme pollysyllabically i.e: big daddy kane, rakim, GURU especially, el-p and all the good mc's. Of course this is only ill if they switch the sounds rapidly or weave them around, instead of say joe budden who I give respect to but rhymes the same 2 syllable sounds for an entire fuckin verse i.e cubic, stupid, do it, to itX2.
All the wack BET mc's need to rhyme monosyllabically, rhyming one sound with another so retarded ignorants (the major consumer base) can keep up, like mc's who rhyme night with right, or car with bar, or whip with chick etc most of the time. i.e: ludacris, style's-p, bird man baby, cam'ron, etc. This is not the DETERMINING factor but is an important indicator. Listen to 'the natural' by Gangstarr....that'll give you an idea of a polysylabic linguistic master...it's no coincidence they call him GURU! Actually, here's verse 2 of that song 'the natural' see what I mean by polysylabic rhyming:
"So natural, chicks in VIP come downstairs
Rush me in pairs, shouldn't have brought them around here
The rules say don't check the pimp, check the hoe
Check the flow, I'm all up in the trap catchin the bankroll
My steel shank holds one in the chamber like Antonio
'Course I'm a stand-up guy, but you don't know me though
I'm righteous, but I might just unvail my portfolio
The plot just thicken and you've been stricken like polio
Who's so-and-so, I'm tired of the lackluster busters
It's the black General Custard, the king conductor to dust ya
Touch ya, cuz you had nerve to try and conjure
A way to surpass the master, but now I bombed ya
Skiggy-hair man style like Lee Archer
Five foot eight, Guru the Great, still a tree sparker
I see farther than you average rap pro's
Son here's a rattle, you've never seen battle
I'm a natural"
Yo, sorry eyedea for messin' your forum with this post, just my general two cents about hip-hop today.
g
>>By ganji (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 19:25)
Enjoy, bounce and shut the hell up. Is it so hard to enjoy the beats without getting a hard-on whenever you can dig some gossip on these artists? What you need to do is get a life of your own and stop pandering to the egos of others, dead serious here folks.
Get a job. Get a friend... Get a rekkord, spin it and leave it at that.
One exception, Industry Heads and Psycho Stalkers. On this I stand.
Niceness~
Not that I think they care, but I've got to throw up some propositions to those I respect.
Atmosphere, as a whole or alone. Slug, because he stands on liquid steel. Abilities, without who you'd just be a ranting maniac. Dose One, for that phat voice and Hemispheres. Sole, they may diss you out west in the big Van an' Vic but I still dig you. Gel, because you just can't say enough. Brother Ali on the beatbox or the mic. Sage Francis, rhymes pants-less. Eyedea and his peanut shaped head, The Ant... Oh yeah. Anticon! Rhymesayers!
Micranots! Living Legends!
That's just a few, if I missed anyone it's not a 'fuck you' its my left shoe in my mouth for this white-trash house.
"You all need to watch observe and then follow
Even if we open for y'all it's our show."
>>By s t o n e d . (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 20:23)
I came to this site with the hope of actually discussing some ideas about eyedea, since this is a discussion page. However, there seems to be no discussion here. Since you pussies cant get past the argument of whether eyedea is good or not, let me settle it here once and for all.
Eyedea is good.
If you dont think so, then I have 2 comments for you.
#1 You dont understand the man, go back and listen to the cd 13 or 14 more times, or however long it usually takes you to memorize the new eminem battle track and then tell me what you think. If you still dont get it, dont worry. Its a big jump from nelly to eyedea. You gotta crawl before you walk so try and work your way up to it.
#2 why the fuck are you on a web page dedicated to eyedea if you're not a fan. Are you telling me that you people came to the gnoosic website and looked up eyedea only to talk shit. That makes you guilty of premeditaded hating or 1st degree hating. Its okay not to like something, but none of you are saying anything speciffic. If you dont like eyedea, then why not. But more importantly, why are you taking time out of your life to talk shit about someone who is actually doing something.
And to the rest of you who actually appreciate the music, lets try to turn this page into a place where intelligent people can debate theories about eyedeas songs. Because, eyedea and the rest of the rhyme sayers (to some extent), go beyond traditional rap. There is only one way to interpret 50 when he says "I love you like a fat kid loved cake" but when Eyedea says "Storm is prerequisite to mental gain" there is a million things he could mean. I think I know, but at the same time I'd like to know what others think, because only through argument and debate can we expand our minds.
I think eyedea will soon become extremely well respected both as a rapper and a philosopher. Sadly not everyone is capable of understanding his cd's so he'll probably never get famous. But he has said some extremely interesting things and is worth talking about.
So in hopes of turning this discussion in a more positive direction , let me start by saying "Step by Step" is my favorite eyedea song. I think its about finding your own personal heaven and avoiding getting trapped in a goose chase for perfection you can never achieve. What do you guys think?
>>By PLUTO (Friday, 5 Sep 2003 06:38)
Alright PLUTO, i agree with you on this one. Another thing i have to say is, if you like Eyedea, cool, but stop trying to back him up by putting down some rhymes. it just doesn't work. Now to EYE. Listen to his CD's from what i hear Eyedea is a rapper second to being a poet. The things that man comes up with... absolutely unreal. When you hear his songs, you actually have to listen to the words.
>>By Soni (Wednesday, 24 Sep 2003 00:22)
I hung out with Eyedea in Austin, Texas at the South by Southwest festival where I saw him grab the mic in a movie theater after a showing of the film freestyle. There were only about 20 people in the theater, Alamo Drafthouse. It was my first experience with live freestyle and I was blown away. He and this other dude from OlDominion kicked ass and seemed like they could rhyme lyrically for hours straight with no pauses. Eyedea is not more popular because he's not physically good-looking. That's a fact. And with regard to him being stuck up like the other guy said when Eyedea didn't say hi to him, well just remember Eminem's Stan. Don't get your fucking feelings hurt just cuz you were expecting some specific reaction, in fact demanding a reaction by your expectations. He's a human, not just an IDEA in your mind. But that's part of his point, now isn't it? I spent time with him at the after party, and he was nice as could be, talked with me, told me about growing up hanging out in Detroit and that he was just around all the freestyling that it was a way to gain manhood almost. You just had to get good at it. He grew up all his life freestyling. It's in his blood. He never acted like he was too good for me. He was cool. So please don't be too quick to judge. And Eminem is incredibly talented also. Eminem shows more tonal versatility than Eyedea, more flair and diversity, better acceleration and inflection, but Eyedea can go faster, rhyme more complexly without repetitiousness, can scar and shear opponents with absolute authority, and call in more philosophical references rather than basic main-stream ones like Eminem. But Eminem is definitely the star of the two. He's the one who's fit for the camera and MTV. Eyedea will always ever be an underground star, cuz believe you me, with his talent and skill, if he was half good looking, he'd already be a superstar. But then again, perhaps this is why he had to strive harder for acceptance and respect. In other words, the idea is, less physical beauty = more motivation to accrue power via other means. Eminem is just mad and self-absorbed, but Eyedea shows more compassion and can relate to the regular guy. Eminem is selfish, and selfish people often rise to stardom and power like that. Eyedea is a good guy, I can say for sure. Eminem, who knows? Aren't we lucky to live in a world with both!?! ~word
>>By ScorpioHydrogen (Thursday, 23 Oct 2003 07:34)
I agree with PLUTO, we should dig a little deeper into what the lyrics of Eyedea mean to us, just to really get an insight into how versitile his messages really are. I'll dip into that statement "storm is prerequisite to mental gain" I interpret that line as one of the most pivotal in the entire song. I think the whole song is about learning from anything that causes one pain is the only way a person really learns anything. i.e. a person can make the same mistake a million times before they finally see how it is only detrimental to their own growth, or the growth of someone they care about.
A second theory that comes to mind is that anyone who has been through a great deal of pain due to events out of their control, like the death of a parent early in life, or abuse, and neglect, has a greater deal of interpersonal insight and empathy and is therefore more willing to actually listen to another person to learn what thay can from others. I'm interested in hearing what you all think about that.
>>By inTellect (Friday, 12 Dec 2003 05:23)
Damn.. just read what I just wrote, and another line came to mind. I said the same thing in two different ways, but made the same point... I want someone to think about the line "It took me a while to realize we was on the same page, we just go about reading it outloud in different ways"
>>By inTellect (Friday, 12 Dec 2003 05:50)
"Storm is prerequisite to mental gain" is a convoluted restating of "No pain no gain."
"It took me a while to realize we was on the same page, we just go about reading it outloud in different ways" touches on the difficulty of communicating accurately personal ideas and thoughts. Often people engaged in argument later realize they agreed the whole time and were only disputing their semantic representations of the same beliefs.
The page signifies the identical belief, the reading aloud their different expressions of this belief.
If lyrical discussion is going to take place, I feel Aesop Rock provides the most multilayered flows of any rapper and would allow a larger range of interpretation to take place. Example, from Abandon All Hope, the first line of the first track on his first ever release, "Is a love such as that which I exhibit for my practice the factor which then amalgamates the base with straightjackets?"
The two real questions would be what is his "practice," I would guess rapping, and the second is what is "the base?" I have a theory on that but it seems half-formed.
Peace
P.S. My bad for switching up the discussion
>>By granther (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 09:18)
We're all born into this river without kowin' how to swim and eventually we learn how to keep the water under our chins. Sometimes this rivers' so cold to be, freezin' my soul salitifying my skin...."
You all know that song was made for Aes. Rock right? Yeah, I guess they're buds or whatever.
Anyways, Eyedea is one guy I'd like to toke up with, discuss matters. I dunno. He might be to much of a big shot for me.
>>By Lindsey(The one & only) (Saturday, 31 Jan 2004 00:59)
How do you know that song was made for Aes? I don't disbelieve, just curious. And what song is it?
Peace
>>By granther (Saturday, 31 Jan 2004 06:21)
Number 15 or 16 on The many Faces of Oliver Hart. I know because he was saying it was for a close friend who tried to commit suicide and Aes. tried to kill himself around that time. I guess Aes. was going through some times. I also know that they are really good friends. I read alot of interviews. -Lindsey
>>By Lindsey(The one & only) (Wednesday, 4 Feb 2004 20:15)
Hell yeah girl....he ain't too much of a big shot for yaz...He might claim to be from another planet but i bet he's down to earth and I bet he'd be dope to blaze a fat blunt with ;] Love from Vegas and get money kids.
>>By Caitlin (Friday, 12 Mar 2004 19:43)
I've been a fan of eyedea and abilities for a while now. even before they changed their name (the sixth sense). You can't argue the fact that eyedea can out freestyle and out perform any mainstream rapper. I'm not saying he's the best, just better than 99% of anything ya'll listen to. He and abilities are constantly breaking new ground. They most definitely are the furture of hip-hop (along with the other rhymasayers, company flo, and def jux). I just saw these guys (with blueprint and CARNAGE) like 2 weeks ago, and they put on the best show i have ever seen. I wonder if there's a page like this for Carnage. Now that's some sick rappin.
>>By smknmnky (Wednesday, 21 Apr 2004 06:58)
alright...i have now read 6 pages of contradictory, meaningless babble...either straight jocking eyedea/riding his dick or telling me how wack he is without really specifying why, so im gonna clear it up once and for all. first of all, to understand eyedea (and for the matter, any member of the rhymesayers/anticon crew, such as sage francis, sole, aesop rock, alius, etc.) you have to understand that he/they are proteges (for the bufoons here, that means students) of slug from atmosphere (slug knows it...listen to "God Loves Ugly"..."what's the way every1 gathers around each other...just to steal each others sound") Slug is the original complex, philosophical, abstract lyricist with the ill multisyllabic rhymes, sounding deranged and somewhat evil(ex. "flying colours in my magic mushrooms" with Sess or "Armor" by Dynopectrum, a style which was stolen and almost perfected by Mad Child of Swollen Members), although you will only find this style on atmosphere's debut "overcast" and on the dynospectrum project with gene pool, musab, and i self divine (and a little on slug's headshots tape). Since then however, Slug has been steadily falling off in the rap game. By "Lucy Ford", Slug realized that he could lazily string together commercial-sounding crap whining about his lovelife and get away with it if he rode funky jigaboo beats ("your girl" is the beginning of the end, although still a pretty dope song).Finally he got signed, shat out "God Loves Ugly"/"Seven's Travels", was a complete flow emcee who banked on delivery and ant's awesome beats and had no vocab left whatsoever. So in comes eyedea, the great "battle rapper". As far as freestyles go, he is not the best out there, but he can go off on topics from scratch effortlessly and endlessly. When it comes to battle raps he begins practically every sentence with "i grab the microphone and...(pre- written punchline)", but it works. What simultaneously makes eyedea the best AND worst mc out there is that he spews slugs style (plenty of multisylabbic, abstact metaphors) in a rapid fire delivery, with no time to catch a breath. his lyrics expand your mind when u really listen, but his out of breath, pubescent sounding, crackly nasal voice comes off pretty wack (and yes the fact that hes butt-ass ugly dosnt help his commercial appeal, but thats irrelavant) so its hard for him to ride any beat, where as slug, minus the vocab eyedea now has (even though he stole a lot of rhymes from slug ex. "arrogance-embarrassment", "parasite-paradise") now sounds pleasing to the hear over almost anything. Eyedea and Abilities both show massive improvement (E's delivery is a lot better, and the chemistry between MC/DJ is incredible) on the mainstream debut "E & A", and its about time eyedea took the throne as the kingpin underground MC (that is if the man who served his ass at scribble, Brother Ali, hasn't claimed it first). In closing, Eyedea is good, but not great, old school slug is where it's at, either one enlighten hip-hop and are better than the sloppy ass 50 cents and Joe Buddens out there today, bringing it back to the days of Rakim, when hip-hop actually sent a message and wasnt' 3-4 minutes of wack MCs hyping a beat (today lyrical ability means nothing its all about production...Eminem seems to be the only mainstream MC who has found the right balance between complexity and a "thug style"). If you want to hear some other Slug/Eyedea proteges who also can rip a mic with precision, check out Sage Francis, Sole, Aesop Rock, Brother Ali, Vakill, Blueprint, Alius, etc. Then again, if your the kind of person who pumps shit like "Yeah" by Usher or any other fake thug/r&b material (to semi- quote "hip-Hop" by Dead Prez) youll probably pre-judge it and are too damn stupid to understand it anyway. Phew, I'm tired.
>>By psychoanalysis (Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 23:35)
That was the first and last post ill ever put on here (excluding this 1). So who agrees and who disagrees? if you want to make a more enlightened decision, check these songs out:
1597 - Atmosphere - Overcast
Scapegoat - Same artist/album
Adjust - Same
Cuando Limpia El Humo - Same
Abusing the rib - Slug's headshots tape
Tracksmart - Same
Woman w/ the Tatooed Hands - Atmos-Lucy Ford
Your Girl - Same
I Wouldn't Want You to Die Uninformed - Dynospectrum
almost anything by the spectrum for that matter
God Loves Ugly -
A Song About a Friend - both from "GLU" By Atmos
Cats Van Bags - Atmos w/ Brother Ali - Seven's Travels
Trying To Find a Balance - Same
Embarrassed - Sage Francis, eyedea and slug
Drop Bass - Sage Francis
Blah Blah Blah
and Missing Teeth - both Brother Ali w/ Slug
Bad Ma Fucka - Brother Ali
I am Hip Hop - Sole, Slug, Dose 1
Painting Words - Sole, Cryptic 1, Vakill, Aius, Dose 1
"The Orpanage" Freestyle
Obsolete - Orphanage
Star Destroyer- Eyedea
Even shadows have Shadows, Big Shots, E & A day...I'm sure u guys know plenty of eyedea songs
Fallen
Perservere- both by Vakill
By the way, alotta "eyedea songs", like the Eminem Diss, The Luda Diss, and songs like 10 mack Commandments and Turn Back Time ( done by Shawn Lov, another good MC who suffers from a early eminem-like nasal whine) are fake.
>>By psychoanalysis (Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004 23:58)
psychoanalysis,
piece of advice number 1, paragraphs are AWESOME. They localize points into cohesive units easy for us simpletons to understand. On to more pertinent issues...
The main flaw in your argument is that you label slug as some sort of absolute, towering monolith that every other rap is only a facet of, as though if you shine slug into a crysal it will refract every other rapper out there (at least every underground rapper that you respect).
One fallacy in your argument arises from your claim that Sage and Aesop are proteges (I believe this means students?? yes???) of Slug. The problem here is that Aesop and Sage both laying their own tracks in the rap game during the same time as Slug, in quite distant parts of country (NY and Rhode Island). If you listen to Aesop and Sage's older releases, Music for Earthworms, Appleseed, Sick of Waiting Tables etc, you'll notice their styles are developed to a form similar to the style witnessed on their more newly released CDs. So your assertion that they are proteges of slug is illogical, all three MC's were coming into their own at roughly the same time, and back then were too far away from each other to, "Gather around....to steal each other's sound."
Oh, and to address your interpretation of the above quoted line, I think you induce way too much from way too little i.e. your claim that Slug's line, ..."what's up with the way everyone gathers around each other...just to steal each others sound," indicates a recognition and detestation of other rapper's mimicing his unique style is too big a stretch. That line could apply to mainstream rap just as aptly as to underground hip hop, and furthermore, Slug never says, "What's up with the way everyone gather around ME..." By leaving the statement in the third person, Slug removes any specific reference to an autobiographical circumstance.
Now onto this contention, "Slug is the original complex, philosophical, abstract lyricist with the ill multisyllabic rhymes." What about Aceyalone? Freestyle Fellowship as a whole? Blackalicious? Del? There's many others. Slug is a part of a continuously evolving movement of independent hip-hop. He is certainly original in many aspects, but he is not "THE ORIGINAL (insert every adjective pertaining to underground hip hop here)."
As for your belief that Slug has steadily declined since Overcast and the pre-overcast releases (Seven, Sad Clown Bad Dub etc), I personally disagree, but it's hard to argue tastes, so I won't bother. I will say though that I feel like he's improved his rhythm and cognizance of the beat and how to ride it since his earlier works.
As for Eyedea and Abilities, I've seen them live three times now and each time I walk out the door impressed by the raw energy, innovation and exquisitely honed talent of both performers. On the other hand, when I pop in their CDs, I'm most of the time fifty-fifty in my pleasure-to-blah ratio. I feel like many of their themes are hackneyed and oftentimes forced.
Anyways, I've been all over the charts in this response, my main point/gripe is that you place too much emphasis on Atmosphere's role in hip-hop, an influential and prolific player no doubt, but not the mirror every other rapper is reflected in.
Peace
>>By granther (Thursday, 17 Jun 2004 08:31)
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