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it seems that a lot of people listening to crass aren't really listening carefully to the lyrics or don't really know anything about the band.first of all, they are an incredible band, if you can consider them that . Penny Rimbaud (the founding member/ drummer in case you didn't know) has said that he really didn't think of them as one. they were more of a movement. Music and art was just a form of expression they used to relate their beliefs to people. So don't complain that they didn't have musical talent, actually only one of them was a musician. Although i do like their raw, unrestrained sound a lot of people don't. Good Crass quote i found on some website.."Dont expect music when the melody is anger, when the message sings defiance. Three chords are frustration when the words are from the heart." Ponder that one for a little while.
Also, their politics are incredible. They had a genuine care for humans, and animals alike. It seems that they truly wanted freedom, They understood the corruption and greed the drives the system and the exploitation that is so common in it. They not only sang about anarchy they lived and breathed it. They were angry about the classes and how such a small percent of the people who were wealthy controlled so many others.And they were pacifists, anti-war, understanding that one life lost is one life too many. etc. etc. I could go on forever about their beliefs but you get the point.
What is also very worth pointing out is that didn't except money for their shows and their cd's are very cheap. they were in it for the money. Once when they played with rock against racism and then were forced to except the money so they would not play for the organization again. They also were in trouble with the law 3 times atleast for explicit lyrics and graphics. but that sure didn't stop them for saying whatever they wanted. It just inspired them to fight harder. and in my opinion proved the point that there really isn't free speech
And while they did say that punk is dead they had a lasting impact on it. They brought true ideals of anarchy and freedom to the scene. They were without a doubt the first real anarho-peace punk band. The sex pistols may have been singing "Anarchy in the UK" but they basically were nihilistic druggies who didn't have the heart or stamina to back up what they were saying. Crust punk, basically derived from these ideas. Notice the Crass style sleeve that aus-rotten and other bands use. And ideas can also be seen in other types of punk,,even street,,, yes shockig i know. so i am rambling now..but crass had the right idea. and lets keep punk alive. although bands like the casualties (who care more about looks and getting drunk then about making a difference in the world) are killing it,,please note i am not saying all street punk is like that ,,,so UNITE..and peace
anyone who agrees, disagrees whatever email me..aroseinthemist@hotmail.com...make the subject Crass..
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 15 Jun 2003 21:54)
i accidentaly said they were in it for the money..THEY WEREN'T just a typo
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 15 Jun 2003 21:56)
crass were nothing but hippies that lived on a collective and TALKED about change but never did any actual action to get it. how can a bunch of hippies and squatters from middle class families know anything about the real working class and our pride? especially when they have never worked a real job a day in their life? steve ignorant was the only member with any suss and credibility. he would come see Oi! and real punk gigs and hang around with old friends of his around london. he was on the streets and down the pubs where the real working class hangs out at. and not on some commune, farm talking about feminism and animal rights and other such bs, or writing shitty songs that have ridiculous meanings behind them and are really nothing more than empty-stadium rock for rich kiddies who can only pretend to understand, much less actually care, about what goes on out on the streets. grow up young punks and take a closer look at your so-called heroes. see them for what they actually are, boring old hippies that posed as punks for their own waste-of-time politrix. or at least take a listen to Special Duties "Bullshit Crass" and read more about crass and the other no-fun "punks" that tried to rule that era of punk, before you make them into gods and false prophets.
>>By TRAD SKINHEAD (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 21:59)
oh! and chris sanchez. i'm from SA too. so any time you want to have a go at someone that "talks shit" about crass, come down to a show and try something on one of us "little cunt" SKINHEADS. just ask around for J the SERB.
>>By TRAD SKINHEAD (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 22:06)
the skin is right crass were lame hippies
and gabby you are a joke
>>By just a old punk (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 06:02)
since when did actually caring about humyns and animals make me a joke. but thanks thats really nice. fuck you.
anyways ..what the hell is wrong with hippies. I hate when closeminded fucks in the punk scene go aorund dissing hippies. yeah, they may be a little different but fucking open up. some just like to smoke pot and nothing else, but besides them many are really into politics and can be very cool people if you actually talked to them.They often have many of the same ideas as punks and unity is importnat. its ridiculous when "punx" go around quoting the casualites saying..kill a hippie. grow up.
If you actually know anything at all about Crass you would know that they were actually one of the most politically active bands. it is true that they werent much until Steve came, but then they took themselves more seriously. they were constantly threatened by the fucking state, almost having all their music banned in england. but that just made them fight harder. they were part of the CND (center for nuclear disarmament), and were members of various anarchy groups. they weren't perfect, and i don't thnk they should l be worshipped or considered gods or any other bull shit like that, i dont think most of their fans do. and they had no money, they weren't catering towards rich audiences at all. they had no fucking money at alll and didn't accept money. So don't go on with all this they were just hippies and all that punker than thou bs.
some people might be born into families with money and then join the scene. big fucking deal, they should be accepted as well, its just chance that they were born into such a situation. Its cool to see peoplel break away from that. I know of someone who's dad is fucking rich but he won't buy clothes for more than 10 bucks.. so take a look around before you jump down peopel's throats.
It seems quite hypoctritical to complain that Crass just sat around and wasn't politically active if you think the politics are bs. Activism is essential for change, but education and persuasion are important as well. Teachign peopel to be respectful of other humyns and making them aware of the problems that society faces is just as important .Crass at least had real ideas and beliefs to fight for..not just dealing with working class issues. there are so many other problems that need to be addressed, though that is important!! but you can't just deal with your problem of being on the streets and not look at the other issues people face, ranging from brainwash by the media, to genocides, to destruction of our enviorment, Please stop being pissed about the politics. If you read lyrics and know anything about most punk bands you will see that they all have a message to get out there, the majority being very political, i don't know about fucking oi bands though. its not a coincidence many band and distro sits have links about political issues and activism. Animal rights and feminism are two important topics. It's fucking horrible to see people who don't care about such issues. Seeing the exploitation and mistreatment and hate of people and animals should make people upset and wanting to see a change in the world. but for some fucking reason i can't understand, it doesn't mean shit to so many people. THE POLITICS ARE WHAT THE PUNK WAY OF LIFE IS ALL ABOUT, open your eyes and look around..don't be ignorant. Its about making social, political, and also personal changes to improve the fucked up state of the world.
sorry i flipped out but i needed to throw that out there!
overall message...no one has to care about the politics, they can live their life how they want. but i dont understand how people can go around insulting those who do really care a lot about others and want to make a difference, it's pretty asinine.
if anyone has any complaints or agrees or wants to talk about anything email me please! ..aroseinthemist@hotmail.com
*peace*equality*freedom* UNITE
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 07:38)
gab, i agree...i think you said it all
BRITTNEY SPEARS ROCKS
>>By Ted (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 08:13)
whoever you are ted..thanks for the support and i hope that second part is just a joke...or else i will have to cry.
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 08:18)
damn hippies need to lighten up!
special duties was right about crass,
they're boring!
>>By blimpy (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 21:12)
boring???
>>By Gabby (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 01:43)
yeah! they're fucking boring.
you can read, can't you?
crass are fucking B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Trad Skinhead is right, what's worse than hippy "punk" rock?
NOTHING. not one thing!
>>By anti-gabby (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 04:40)
ha ha
take that hippy lover!
crust sux!
>>By M.A.G. (mothers against gabby) (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 04:42)
wow. talk about close-minded. fucking open up!!!!!! yeah crass may gave talked about the politics but they were out there playing crazy shows..while they were drunk..being sued by the police bastards..fighting the system..
crust punk is awesome..or "hippy" punk..whatever you want to call it. the bands are fucking intelligent and have something to say about this fucked up world. but they still go out there playing shows and living the punk life and having . so close your minds and be ignorant bastards..just what the world needs more of. huh?
WHAT THE FUC IS WRONG WITH HIPPIES ANYWAYS?? generally nice, laid back people, who care about politics..doesn't mean they are boring. i bet none have you have really talked to any.
peace
>>By Gabby (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 06:04)
*none of you
and by the way..
you don't have to care about the problems in the world,,the injustice, mindless power, violence, hate, etc..general suffering of humyns and animals. you can live how you want .but it's pretty pathetic to go around insulting those bands that take time to sing about such issues who and the people that do really care and want to make a difference..
how can you insult someone for caring????????????
peace
>>By Gabby (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 05:12)
gabby i agree and you sound pretty sexy...keep up your "hippie" beliefs...stay stronge...
peace, unity, freedom, equality
>>By Ted (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 07:03)
thanks ted...anyways i just got back from a show with the casualties and a bunch of other bands. i'm not a huge casualties fan,,. but i do like lots of street punk..i may be a crustie or more into that, but it doesn't mean i can't like both. .UNITE...
just thought i should throw that out there
peace~freedom~equality~unity
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 20 Jul 2003 05:10)
ha, ha
this shit is hilarious. poseurs adouring crass, hippies defending crass, punks attacking hippies, skinheads not only attacking crass, but also making punks and hippies look foolish.
pure gold!
the funniest thing is that the skinhead is the only one thats seems to be thinking soundly. i never thought i'd live to see that! fuckin great stuff! i mean crass were ok, but the skinhead is partly right, they weren't much fun. not like other punk at the time that had a say and had a laugh. believe me, i was there. they could be right boring sometimes. or at least they could never have been as entertaining as all this.
cheers!
>>By a real old punker (Friday, 25 Jul 2003 22:39)
goddamn i've seen someone who likes the sound of their own words quite the way you do gabby, Peter is right, your name fits. now please get something else to do, i've seen your name on at least two or three other pages on this dumbass site, and on each page is you fighting with other people and then trying to look like a voice of reason, get a fucking life. or do you have one thank you very much? real old punker is right, it is hilarious, but its also really pathetic, and gay. maybe i shouldn't have said gay some pc asshole will probably throw a fit. at least i can count on gabby to address it. i bet you would suck in bed. "..... but i want to talk some more.... just listen to me co opt every idea that every other serious punk ever had then pawn it off as my own, that way i sound like i think about things and my life has meaning" FUCK. get past high school and realize that none of this matters. it can't even function on a goddamn message board. gabby please go the way of kevin silence and just disappear.
>>By the anti-gabby too (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 10:35)
wow friendly people. ..i type really fast so actually i dont' waste much of my fucking life on this site..and you're right i will address the gay thing..it's homophobic to say that . fuck all this hate...fuck you..peace
i don't see anything wrong with discussing punk ideals and shit..why are you on this site if you don't really want to talk about anything??
>>By gabby (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 03:00)
and it's not like i just sit and discuss these ideas..i boycott companies..go to protests..go to shows..do environmental service..learn about the world..so don't judge
>>By Gabby (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 22:30)
dude if you guys are all for peace and unity then you shouldnt be cussing at each other and whining about how other people have different views than you. i dont mind discussing the band but once you start calling each other cunts and motherfuckers or something then it gets kind of stupid. i agree that some bands talk about shit like animal cruelty and feminism and they dont ever do anything about it but some of them do, and unless you've listened and read about a lot of punk bands then i dont think you're exaclty in the place to judge them...if you think punk sucks, then get off the crass site and do soemthing useful with your time. do you seriously think that by calling each other hippies and skinheads, it will help in any way? maybe i'm being hypocritical by complaining myself, but at least i'm not dissing anyone. im just saying if you have a problem, deal with it and dont cuss at each other for no reason..it does no good.
ps. check out Anti-flag, they kick ass
>>By ray (Sunday, 3 Aug 2003 11:45)
Crass is ok, just quit warshiping em and open up to other bands politics like toxic narcotic, aus-rotten, antischism. Also a break from politics every now and again is nice for this I recommend GG Allin, The Mentors, TSOL etc
>>By drinksmashpuke (Tuesday, 23 Sep 2003 17:58)
wotcha you lot
i saw one of crass last gigs during the miners strike of 84,the fact about crass was that they were not just a band they were a movement.
the first glastonbury after the hippie scene was partly organised by crass under the campaign of nuclear disarnament banner.they laid the base for the present anti globalization campaign.
along with conflict they were the most honest bands around,what other band would bankrupt themselves several times to get a msg across,none.
ok they couldnt play but by fuck did half make you think about the shit that was going on at the time,we had a bitch dictator running the country who was sucking the cock of a failed actor who somehow became the most powerfull man in the world(frightening).
crass tapped in to feeling of the day anger,fear and discontent,they encouraged people to get of their arses and do something about it,
>>By bmilo (Wednesday, 1 Oct 2003 12:53)
first off i am thoroughly disgusted at loosing the message i just typed and will now annotate for you...
basically crass created this same sort of cacophany that you folks are blathering on about way before you ever thought of it most likely and they were clear that their valuation of the experience was not based on terms of following the priorities or aesthetics of their predecessors so good for them.... furthermore they brought me to a better understanding of collectives and collaborative creation which is hard on the individual as it is draining and devisive to originality in some ways and yet manages to provide more options for those with severe limits
mostly i would say check out chumbawumba and tell me what you think because that is sorta what crass evolved into and they do little for me really... for now i would have to say that any lamer who wants to rag or rage on crass needs to put it down and realize that crass did it all while you were at home doing squat so now its your turn to do something comparable or 'better' if you think you can...
kudos to bmilo and peter for not losing their head and gabby for just being gabby and liking it ... right then or is it write then...
>>By zazenista (Thursday, 1 Jan 2004 21:24)
bmilo is right..they were a movement.. and thanks zazenista .. peace
>>By Gabby (Friday, 2 Jan 2004 02:46)
Crass is an EXCELLENT band. They had great ideas.
Trad Skihead... you have no idea what you're talking about. Peace is good. SOME hippy ideas are good. I hate that attitude... "duh fuck the hippies because they want peace... CHAOS!!!". It's so stupid. The Casualties give a bad name to punk.
I completely agree with you Gabby.
>>By Goatt (Friday, 2 Jan 2004 06:22)
thanks goatt
>>By Gabby (Sunday, 4 Jan 2004 03:30)
uh huh...yeah... cool
now lets move on and compare the canadian band called
[i]Submission Hold[/i] to our friends in Crass... think there
are striking similarities but i want to hear what you have to say
>>By zazenista (Sunday, 4 Jan 2004 08:05)
make that Submission Hold without the html mark up
>>By zazenista (Sunday, 4 Jan 2004 08:06)
hmm..never heard of submission hold
>>By Gabby (Friday, 9 Jan 2004 03:37)
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