Hey.....you wanna talk bout young....Free were soooooooo young when the ydid there first album in 1968...........bassist was 15 and had already played seesion stuff and had a stint in john mayalls bluesbreakers....singer, guitarist and drummer were 17..and theyd all been doin the circuit for a few years...........they put Zep in the shade!!!!!!!!! cmon paul kossoff against jimmy page................kossoff wins on 'that' vibrato technique and emotion alone.....wot a prodigy.....and we just wont go into paul rodgers vocals and andy frasers bass playing...........
>>By Da Blues (Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:15)
Nah, I guess not... especially since this is the Led Zeppelin discussion board - pity the discussions on this site are so rigid
>>By Sk8a H8a (Tuesday, 17 May 2005 21:46)
I don't think you can compare Free to Led Zeppelin. I'll admit, I like Paul Rodgers just as much as I like Robert Plant (and look forward to seeing Rodgers with Queen soon), but after that the comparison falls apart. There hasn't been a faster double neck guitar player before or since Jimmy Page, and John Paul Jones was the most brilliant all around musician of anyone in either band. Simon Kirke is a good drummer, but nobody tops Bonzo, nobody. I'm sorry, but you can't compare the two.
(Side note: Rodgers and Kirke didn't even produce their best work until Bad Company)
>>By GetTheLedOut (Wednesday, 18 May 2005 00:05)
I admit bonzo kills kirke everytime man......but pagey is such a sloppy lead player, seriously.........JPJ is an amazing player/ composer, no doubt about it!!! Rodgers just creams plant everytime.........plant is just a falsetto singer......although e was an influence of on my singing and still is, i see him quite regularly actually, he's so stingy with his cash tho lol... you cant compare Bad Co to Free......Free pissed on Bad Co......Bad Co were just a radio friendly stadium band....and, forgive the statement....America friendly......dont get me wrong Bad Co and Straight shooter, the first two albums are awesome.....but after that they kinda sucked.....................I Love Zep.......but Free still kicked their ass!! personal opinion.............Zep were the first 'Rock gods' but they didnt have the Blues like Free did and not half the Soul and feeling...now that you cant deny!!!!!
>>By Da Blues (Wednesday, 18 May 2005 02:35)
Paul Kossoff is a DEAD junkie with one hit. Jimmy Page is a LIVE junkie with record sales that's kept Atlantic records alive FOR DECADES. Zep's rythym section SMOKES Free. Page wrote "Stairway", and WAILED on blues. As far as Jimmy's "sloppy leads", well what about production and writing? Rodgers has no vocal range,( how about that golden work on The Firm?) good luck coppin' Freddie! I think Free were definately one of the true great blues rockers(AC/DC made fame from their patent), but comparing them to Zeppelin is like comparing the ocean to a lake.
>>By south Louisiana Red (Wednesday, 18 May 2005 06:01)
So what yeah Kossoffs dead ,God bless him....but cmon his playing just burns holes in pagey.....you as a guitarist have gotta know that man......Rodgers has no vocal range........yeah ok whatever.....at least he dont pussy out and go into falsetto like plant...........are we talkin bout the same paul rodgers????? lol...........he'll do a great job doin the queen stuff.....although i dunno why he's doin it, maybe he's a few pounds off a new private jet or something???? Its just that i hear nothing else from americans apart from how great zep were......at the end of the day, yeah they were an amzaing band........but there is so much bullshit, hype and myth surrounding the band it sucks........theyre human and they were awful a lot of the time....i have crystal clear bootlegs and they sound awful.....its just a personal thing.....ive just had zep, zep, zep, zep, non stop for years and there are soooooooo many bands out there under their shadow......its a shame
>>By Da Blues (Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:50)
Whatever! There's a reason why Zep's SO popular. TALENT and longevity. ALL BANDS FALL UNDER THEIR SHADOW. I'm a professional singer. And I do think Paul Rodgers is a damn fine singer, one of the best! One of my claims to fame is I sound more like Plant than Plant does, AND IT"S NOT FALSETTO! Yes, they used tape speed later,to make Plant seem more "fairie". That's why his voice is far better on the 1st record than the rest. His voice is more patterned on Steve Marriot than anyone else. Hey, there will never be another Zep( I'm sure you're happy). Peter Green, in my opinion is a far better blues guitarist than Paul K. I've just discovered another great english band from the same era called Leafhound. They have a record called Growers of Mushroom, that some consider to be a lost classic. And hey, if I want blues I'll just whip out Otis Rush, Sonny Boy Williamson,or Albert King .THAT"S BLUES!
>>By south Louisiana Red (Thursday, 19 May 2005 06:39)
hey man......without a doubt Zep have recorded some amazing albums...i own everything they've ever done in the studio as well as hundreds of bootlegs, rare recordings etc.....i adore 'em....it's just there ARE other bands out there....I'm a singer too.....I sound like a cross between Rodgers and Cornell apparently which, as you will understand, is a great compliment....I think I sound like me, but obviously influence rubs off on you. Ha ha..you sound more like Planty than he does, I like it!!!. .....sounds like you have some range man...Cornell uses falsetto, but he does it so well. Plant is definately a huge influence on me vocally, I'm not disputing that....Peter Green...I hear ya...such an underrated guitarist. I've heard Leafhound's stuff...pretty impressive isnt it....ah let's not go into the Blues masters.... Son House, Robert Johnson, Charley Patton, Blind Willie McTell, Leadbelly, Howlin' Wolf....so on and so forth....yet let us remember my fave guitarist of all time Rory Gallagher, now that was a talent.....possibly the best acoustic/electric/slide player I've ever heard...plus he's no slouch on the harp either and he sung.......I'm not the kinda guy to argue, I am just very passionate about my music, it is my life, I've struggled for many years just to get noticed, slept in vans in freezing cold weather away from home in strange towns and countries for little money from gigs...barely enough money for food....yes I've been there and done it and continue to do so. I appreciate your knowledge and musicianship....I just hate 16 year olds telling me about music,,,,you sir I have respect for...there is a difference!!!...anyway I'm of to burn all my Zep stuff LOL!!!
>>By Da Blues (Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:24)
Mail the Zep to me if you wanna! I totally understand where you're coming from. You're obviously a man of taste and talent( Blind Willie McTell!) Ihave avideo of Rory, and he is truly an impassioned blues man. Johnny Winter inspired me to pick up my instrument. Led Zeppelin is like an old family member, and sometimes that can be a bit wearing I know. I've felt a great deal of hardships in my time as a musician. That's what the blues is all about! It's feast or famine, and very uncertain. I appreciate you opinions and credentials, and wish you the best of luck Lloydy, don't give up the faith! Love and Happiness, Jamie.
>>By south Louisiana Red (Friday, 20 May 2005 06:09)
You sir, are a gentleman!!!!
Flork Me sometime for a chat!!
Love, Peace n' Hairgrease!!
>>By Da Blues (Friday, 20 May 2005 10:22)
I think it's time for legitimate Zeppelin discussion. Since a lot of Zep topics have already been beaten into the ground, here's a new one. What is the best bootleg (some go by several names) of Led Zeppelin? And... what is the best unreleased song?
>>By GetTheLedOut (Saturday, 25 Jun 2005 19:56)
My money's on Studio Daze 68'-72' and the best unreleased song... either Jenning's Farm Blues or Swan Song.
>>By GetTheLedOut (Saturday, 25 Jun 2005 19:59)
The best rock band of all time and also my fave, all members were great and there music will live forever.
>>By Peni (Wednesday, 29 Jun 2005 13:46)
I love the song "In My Time of Dying", it's so great, Kashmir is amazing too, and so is Trampled Underfoot, but you can't mention classics and not mention Stairway, I mean, come on! That should be in at least the top 10 all time best songs ever list.... Jimmy Page is an amazing guitarist, and Da Blues, even if he is "sloppy" he's still amazing, and deserves full credit for what he's accomplished. Robert Plant's coming to the 'Peg, and I hope I'm able to scrape enough cash together to see him and The Strange Sensations.
>>By Urbane (Sunday, 31 Jul 2005 06:04)
UCH a mean really is there anything to say about this band apart fro GENIUS ..... where do you think we would all be today if we had not had the mighty ZEP!!!!!!!!!
Tangerine is the only one I can sing ha ha :O) but a lurrrrrrrv em all............................. thought provokin shit give us more .............
Big Luv to all Mamma G xxxxxxxxxxx
>>By Mamma G (Friday, 19 Aug 2005 19:44)
Has anyone heard about the new Jimmy Page solo album? I'm hoping Robert joins him for a track or two just like on the first one.
>>By GetTheLedOut (Saturday, 10 Dec 2005 19:15)
Seriously who doesn\'t like zep!!! they don\'t have one song that doesn\'t amaze you... classic
I especially like their happier sounding songs like dyer maker or misty mountain hop orrrr fool in the rain :D :D but really theyre all spectacular !!
>>By GINAcolada (Wednesday, 11 Jan 2006 20:08)
Best Led Zep LP is "How the West Was Won". Favorite songs "Immigrant Song", "Heartbreaker/ Living Loving Maid","Dazed and Confused" and "When the Levee Breaks". A couple '70's/ '80's bands I recommend is Deep Purple and Camel's self-titled first LP. Camel essentially is a progressive rock band, but at times it rocks out.
Led Zep definitely is influential on AC/DC and Gun'N'Roses
>>By headrush77 (Tuesday, 21 Feb 2006 10:03)
To continue with what I was saying way back in June last year, in my opinion they truly are the best band ever, not only on the scale of their work and influence on others, but the fact that no one, in my opinion, has ever bettered them in their brilliance, anyone who criticizes them, after hearing such tracks as, 'Kashmir', 'Rock and Roll', 'Stairway to heaven', basically every song they have ever done (apart from Dyer Maker) and thinks its crap, can not appreciate any form of music, . If anyone knows about the new page masters new album, or any extended tour dates for Plant, or any more about the rumor of a reunion tour, please, please, please let me know, fellow cool rock dudes/ dudettes. Oh and by the way, free the Bobs, for they appreciate good music as well and sardines, (see my flork page for more information).
>>By Peni (Sunday, 12 Mar 2006 16:13)
Well, that's somewhat narrow-minded of you, to claim that anyone who dislikes Led Zep "can not appreciate any form of music"!
>>By Sk8a H8a (Sunday, 12 Mar 2006 16:52)
The idea that ANYTHING artistic can be said to "perfect" is a little fanciful ....art both in it's creation and appreciation is highly subjective. Nevertheless we could perhaps reasonably take the line that artistic merit can be broadly measured against various yardsticks. Is there a level of innovation and originality in the art. Is there a level of communication with the audience of the time (or in the present)? Does the art continue to inspire others? Perhaps even does the art the art in question display some level of technical accomplishment might for some be relevant...etc etc
On those kind of value judgements I'd suggest Led Zep score pretty damn highly to anyone with more than a passing interest in "rock" music. For one example of many : Bonhams'/Pages' drum style and sound was innovative, is still widely immitated, frequently sampled by more recent artists and is damn hard to emulate let alone create in the first place (check out the solidity and subtly "behind the beat" feel on something like Kashmir - held rock solid without the aid of click track - and the depth of sound through the highly compressed overhead mics yet still retaining clarity and punch to reveal the intricate and expressive1/16 note kick drum work without the aid of double kick or double pedals! Also (and importantly!) it really works well to enhance the mood and feel of the track as a whole. These guys were great musicians and also charismatic "stars"... and their influence is now being felt second or third hand...can anyone imagine Guns and Roses or Velvet Revover existing without the precursor of Led Zep? Add to that they also helped to pretty much redefine the balance of power that musicians had with the music business... but that's another story! ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 23 Mar 2006 00:40)
erm..... it seems the posts I was commenting on have "mysteriously" vanished.... just in case anyone complains I talk to myself here LOL!
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 23 Mar 2006 16:01)
I'm glad you said that... I thought I was going crazy, imagining that I'd typed stuff... I agree that Led Zeppelin were absolutely fantastic but to discredit anyone who doesn't like them seems ridiculous
>>By Sk8a H8a (Thursday, 23 Mar 2006 22:56)
Hmmm... it seems perfectly possible to me to recognise that something has some intrinsic worth or value without actually having to like it..... but I'll leave others to defend their own hyperbole here I think!
>>By planet ear (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 17:08)
I'd just like to say that I've enjoyed this particular page of this site more than any other that I've so far seen here, & that surely by some considerable distance When The Levee Breaks is the greatest Led Zepp song ever.
>>By nonyeb (Saturday, 16 Dec 2006 23:41)
Never heard of them...
>>By endless_nameless (Wednesday, 20 Dec 2006 14:21)
What songs should they play at this upcoming 'reunion' gig then?
>>By nonyeb (Friday, 28 Sep 2007 05:25)
This Band will also make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If The Ramones made it (they are good too) then Led Zep has to make it.
>>By crazyhorse (Thursday, 3 Jan 2008 18:02)
Stairway to heaven...... allways on repeat..... :D :D :D enjoy it.....
>>By Marts (Friday, 22 Feb 2008 17:44)
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