Nine Inch Nails
i think if you dont have to necessarily think of an idea and then write about it... you tend to find that lyricism (not sure thats a real word) is alot like poetry... in the way that the lyrics tend to come naturally to those who are writing them.. my mum was a poet.. she used to wake up in the middle of the night and just write things that bothered her and formulate it into something better, something that showed the dark things going through her head but at the same time created something beautiful in its own right..
given recent events in trents life i dont think somebody with such a lyrical gift would have had much of a problem turning what he was thinking about his current situation or infact that of the world around him (depending on how you interpret his songs) into something more preductive... everybody has their own way of dealing with shit.. some write some draw, some play instruments... which brings me to the point about no lyrics.. your both right... music with no lyrics it is genius because while some perceive it as just a random tune others can interpret the sounds to mean something... one purly instrumental song can have so many meanings without even meaning to... thats the joy of it... that you can sit down and just a catchy tune can give you a certain sensation... naming them takes that eliment away kind off coz the name leaves less to the imagination.. you interpret the name to interpret the song itself..
and and closer...i adore that song.... the video... origional... its sexy because of the beat... if you interpret it as a song about sex then its defo sexy but even if you dont just follow the rhythm and youll get that hiden feeling... that song is the reason i got into NIN ive never listened to a song that religiously before...
"naming them takes that eliment away kind off coz the name leaves less to the imagination" but doesn't this also apply to lyrical songs... a name is just one more dimension to a song as is a music video, you know? Sometimes seeing things in a different light i.e. to a video or with lyrics can make them seem completely different - can make things clearer and easier to understand or cast an even greater veil of mystery on the overall meaning
I think the best kind of music is that which the artist enjoys making and the listener enjoys listening to... having a hidden meaning or even an obvious one isn't necessary - a meaning is just yet again another dimension! Wanting to understand a new dimension in something is part of what makes us human - never satisfied...
>>By Sk8a H8a
kind of it does yeah... but lyrical songs are written to have a certain meaning to the writer i guess...a song without lyrics is open to a complete interpretation of the person listening... one with lyrics is aiming at a certain thing or afew certain things... if you add a title to a instrumental song its not completley up to the person listening to interpret coz somethings being hinted at.. i can understand what you mean though... and of course the best kind of music is the one you enjoy listening to and they enjoy making i agree.
I think you can still interpret any music whichever way you want, unless the artist actually tels you what it's about - a name tells you what something is, and since a song isn't just a message, the name doesn't necessarily tell you what it means... I don't know what it means, but bands with incredibly obscure lyrics such as System of a Down have gone on record as saying that the meaning of the song depends upon the interpretation of the listener... besides, lots of things have gone down in history as meaning something that was unintended by whoever said it so why shouldn't the same apply to modern music? Everything is open to misinterpretation, and if an artist recognises this but doesn't believe choosing your own interpretation should be a part of the listening process, they'd logically issue some sort of statement detailing exactly what the song's about... Trent Reznor hasn't told what his songs are about, so we can only assume he wants us to decide for ourselves
>>By Sk8a H8a
I disagree with the idea that lyrical songs have meanings and instrumentals are just meant to sound good, which seemed to be what someone was saying. When Trent wrote Just Like You Imagined I highly doubt he just messed around until he had a piece of music that sounded good. What I mean is, artists are always trying to achieve something beyond just sounding good, whether it's got lyrics or not. I don't mean a message always, but a tone. And this is something I think I already said ages ago but I'm not sure, I feel far too much emphasis is put (by fans I think) on 'interpreting' songs. Like the song has to make a social statement, it has to slag off George Bush or something and then that's why people like it. NIN are one of my favourite bands because they can still use music on its own - no lyrics - to create an atmosphere, like they do with At The Heart of it All or, surprise surprise, Just Like You Imagined. That's something Rage Against the Machine - to my knowledge - never achieved, and they're one of my other favourites.
Obviously Sk8a, I don't know how Trent writes, but listening to that track I find it hard to believe he wrote a piece of music and then decided on a name based on what it sounded like. It really sounds like he was aiming for a certain sound, because it's so strong and deliberate. That track, I think, has more of an identity than say The Hand That Feeds. Giving a piece of music such a strong identity, such a strong *feel* without the aspect of lyrics, is what makes it genius.
It's not that I think lyrics are unimportant, they're just a bit overrated.
Oh, I'm not saying I actually think that's how he wrote it; just that that's one way of doing it... it isn't difficult
>>By Sk8a H8a
Ah well the way Trent does it, it's genius ;)
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I like the way NIN have their own signature sound that sounds different to anyone else and yet they don't seem to have any boundaries of what they can do...
>>By Sk8a H8a
indeed, i agree
I like the fact that I'm going to see them on Wednesday.
Has anyone seen any of these crazy websites? The new album is apparently a concept album about the end of the world.
I've only heard the single with which they've released an accompanying video that's curently doing the rounds on the various 'alternative' music channels on TV. I forget the name of the song now, the video's all in black and white and shot in a faux-CCTV style. I don't like the song, it's noisy and dull. Trent is too old for the kind of angst he's been portraying in his music since the late-80's, he needs to move on before NIN begin to stagnate.
I remember entering this discussion many months ago to defend With Teeth, but in retrospect, as an album it has had far less of a lasting effect as Pretty Hate Machine, TDS or The Fragile. Granted, all three are classics of their own particular eras and are a lot to live up to, but With Teeth is, as I said in retrospect, a disappointment considering the impact Trent's previous work has had. I feel the man may be running out of ideas, and I can't see him making a Scott Walker-like u-turn in his artistic aesthetic any time soon. I remain hopeful, however.
I agree, With Teeth is far inferior to the others, but I can still listen to it and enjoy it. As for the new songs, although the music itself has far less of an effect on me than anything from PHM, Broken, TDS or The Fragile, I would argue he *is* doing something different. Year Zero is a concept album, with a story and characters - that's something he's never done before, and I think I'll come to really like the album.
And what's the concept? An apocolyptic vision of the future. He may not have dedicated an entire album to the impending doom of the planet, but it's hardly a massive leap from The Becoming, or for that matter a lot of TDS and TF. To be honest I'm not interested in the whole ''concept album'' thing anyway. I want to hear good music, how it's presented is less than secondary.
It's not like I'm hoping for this to be the nail in Reznor's coffin (pun not intended, good one though), and the album isn't out over here yet so I'm yet to hear the whole thing, so I'll reserve judgement till then. Can't say I'm confident enough about it to hold my breath though.
Well the important thing is he's happy with it. Anyway I would argue that is *is* a pretty big leap. Until With Teeth (and including most of it) almost all his lyrics were introspective and centered around him as an individual. Now he's writing about the outside world, and his worries about the future of the world.
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