Discussion: Nine Inch Nails

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why is it a vid :(
my comp sux shit when it comes to watching vids :(

i want him

>>By nite nite



nine inch nails are great..... they have brilliant songs

>>By iva212



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH My Fucking God, "The Hand That Feeds" is just amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since i have it, i can't stop listening to it!!!!!
It's brilliant! It's Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking Brilliant!!!!!!

>>By Eli_Molko



sweet, i soooooo cant w8 for With Teeth to come out :)
im gunna get a copy held for me at the record store :)

>>By nite nite



i guess i should do the same!!!!:) i really really can't wait for this album to come out! when is it coming in New Zealand? it is suppsed to go out when anyways? on the 3rd of may? God, i really can't wait!
I've been looking forward to that album for so long now!

>>By Eli_Molko



Six years. What a bastard that Reznor is.

Oh btw, I read a review of With Teeth by somone who had downloaded the album (dirty/stingy whore), and apparently, that 'bruatlity' thing Trent was talking about was only half right. The reviewer said it's in a similar vein the left disc of The Fragile, but at the same time, a lot more raw than most of his past work. Thing that excited me the most was how he kept commenting on how much Trent's lyrics have matured. Not that I trust those who've downloaded the album.

I would post the link, but I can't be fucked. Go to the sister site on MX Tabs and it's under the new reviews section.

>>By Stinkfist



thanks for the info Stinkfist:) Well, i don't know about the lyrics...i mean, i read them all today...i found them on a site, and they seemed...kind of...like they have always seemed. Trent has such a strange manner of writing...i don't know...like my writings in a diary or something. It's just...weird. But, anyways, they were good, the lyrics. I prefer relating them to some music though, but i'll have to wait a little bit more:)

>>By Eli_Molko



The best lyrics he ever wrote were 'I'm Looking Forward to Joinging You, Finally'.

I need to stop lokoing at this message board, it just makes me more and more anxious to hear the new album.

>>By Flagg



I know exactly what you mean Eli, he does have an extremely personal style which is great, but at the same time, Trent does have the occasional lyric that makes me cringe, and I can't enjoy music if the lyrics annoy me.

Examples, his constant insistence in rhyming the verses on Pretty Hate Machine, especially on That's What I Get, that was occasionally annoying, and the part in Somewhat Damaged that goes ''Lick around divine debris, taste the wealth of hate in me...'' etc, that just sounds like corny gothic crap to me. I hate it when he does that.

Plus he's getting older now, he can't be an angsty young man all his life. I'd like to hear him cover territory that's away from his emotional isolation and the usual nilhism. Something like...March Of The Kids, a nice song about driving his children to school. Ok, maybe not that mature, but you get my drift.

>>By Stinkfist



He is definitely more mature with each album.

I think you're right about some of the lyrics on Pretty Hate Machine, but The Fragile has virtually flawless lyrics all the way through in my opinion. The difference between the lyrics in songs like Somewhat Damaged and lyrics by corny goth bands is that, Reznor means it - he's not just saying it because it will have the right impact on a mostly teenage fanbase.

>>By Flagg



Stinkfist - "the march of the kids" - ooooooooooh, that totally made my day! well..night! anyways, God, i couldn't stop laughing for like, i don't know, half an hour probably! march of the kids, aaaahahahahah:)
I'm happy you got what i wanted to say about the lyrics, it is kind of hard to explain, it is just something that bugs you from time to time. and...it's not just from time to time...there is just something about the lyrics you know?! like there's something about mary, lol!:)))))
I agree with you on what you said...about the growing thing, and also about the goth thing. Flagg, dear, i know when he's putting the goth stuff, he probably means it, cause after all....he's just...Trent! but, you gotta admit is sounds...weird...sometimes! But i like it. When i understand it.
And, about him covering territory that's not his usual emotional isolation and so on....i don't know, i am not sure i'll like him that way. He's always just....i'm wondering whom he uses like a personal inspiration? Anyways, yeah, Stinkfist, i totally get what you mean, but i am really not sure if i will be able to relate to NIN some other way. And i definitely can when he's like an angsty young man.
I am thinking of Placebo when i am talking about NIN and growing old. Placebo grew and mature literally before their fans eyes, i mean, they just did...as Brian Molko said - "can't stop growing old". And, now, i adore them, of course, but there is something that bugs me about that maturing thing....i can't exactly relate to them on the same level i used to. Which doesn't mean that they aren't becoming more brilliant musically with every day. So, my point was, that Trent somehow managed not to grow old....he has matured, but, in a not so evident and changing way. Damn, i don't know if anyone understands now what i'm trying to say, it's 3:30 in the morning, and i am still listening to "the hand that feeds" It's like the 2nd day now, and i still can't stop it! And, i am still trying to figure out what it's about. The lyrics i mean:)

And, am i the only one who gets to this discussion board with a lot of trouble before that?!

>>By Eli_Molko



With Teeth comes out on the 5th hrer, i sooooo cant w8.

and i get what ppl are saying bout the maturing thing.
its really good when bands change, and, i dont know, find themselfs in another way?
it may not be liked by all coz they change in the production of the new album, and we sit here with the old ones, kinda staying the same, then a new one comes out, and its diff to what we wanted, or thorght we were gunna get, but its still the band we love, and with time, we will see that the change, and maturity needed to come, other wise, dare i say it, we might get tired of the music.
i mean, to use Placebo again, only coz they rock the shittness, they have, in a way stayed the same, while they chaged, i know that sounds kinda odd, and i have always h8ed that i cant make what im thinking come out of my head sounding the same way so others can undrestand it, but they have done little changes, they have found a way of staying true to themseves, and also finding themseves in a new way ...

ok, im just gunna stop now, coz i dont think any1 will get this, and i think i might have gone o/t ....

>>By nite nite



"It comes down to this, your fist, your kiss...under my skin".

His lyrics get pretty rough at times, but you are right Flagg. He means it, he is authentic.
I also agree with you in what you said about 'The Fragile'.

By the way, Trent's said that this new album was heavily influenced by his longtime friend (and a very amazing record producer) Rick Rubin.

>>By CHARLOS



I did say ''to me'' ; )

I'm just very picky when it comes to lyrics, even Trent hasn't avoided my pickyness. In fact I can think of only three lyricists who are flawless in my eyes, Maynard J, Grady Avenell and El-P.

I know what you mean Eli (although it took me a few of minutes :p). Like if Trent could mature to a point where he's still providing his commentary on things you can relate to, but in a more serious way, without going off on an ''I'm old now'' trip and singing.....well, March Of The Kids.

And yes The Fragile was mostly lyrically strong, and Trent maybe more sincere when he writes stuff like that, but that doesn't change the fact that that particular verse in Somewhat Damaged makes me cringe. I mean, he could sing ''I enjoy molesting tawny owls with sporks drenched in pepsi'' and really mean it, but that's still going to sound stupid.

>>By Stinkfist



YAY, Stinkfist i LOVE Maynard, him and Trent and Molko are the ones i like every song i have heard, granted, i havent really heard much NIN (cry) but im getting there.
and Manson, hes not up there ^^^ coz some of his piss me off

>>By nite nite



Stinkfist - i am glad you got what i wanted to say, lol, and glad you kind of agreed:) And, the ''I enjoy molesting tawny owls with sporks drenched in pepsi'' -LOOOOOOOOOOOOL, you're amazing, haha:)

Nite Nite - i think the only one who i like every song i've heard should be Molko. I've heard all of his stuff at least. I agree about Manson - i even can get further - i enjoy only a few of his lyrics, i can't really relate to them very much! Never could. I like him that much and i listen to him, mostly because of the music itself, and the energy that it gives me, + the atmosphere...i can't really explain it:)

>>By Eli_Molko



I only tend to listen to Manson every now and then. I think at heart he's a popstar, causing controversy for controversy's sake. I still enjoy his music though, and he does have *some* quite thought-provoking lyrics.

What I really look for in good lyrics though, is not that much to do with if I relate to them, but just the way they come across. That 'taste the wealth of my decay' line I have no problem with; I think it's quite poetic.

>>By Flagg



You know, David Bowie sometimes writes his lyrics and then mixes up the words to make it less easy to know what the hell he's going on about.

Now Marek, please don't delete this, it might not appear to have anything to do with Nine Inch Nails, but in fact Reznor and Bowie have worked together on at least two occasions.

Just to be on the safe side: Hahaha Trent has muscles now LOL!!11!!1

>>By Flagg



I hate Manson, the guy himself is definitely a popstar, a really old-school one too. It's as if he's been lifted directly into modern times from the glam-rock era. That's why it amuses me so much when all the so-called 'goths' rave about him (/them). Although he is actually a very interesting person, I've liked him a lot each time I've seen/heard him interviewed. He's suprisingly smart and articulate.

Thing is, with the possible exceptions of Tool, Willhaven and Radiohead, I don't really listen for nice, clever, poetic lyrics in rock music. The majority of rock lyricists cannot compare to the poetic genius of the new wave of indie hip-hop artists, who I listen to a lot. I honestly can't take a line such as Trent's ''taste the wealth of hate in me'' seriously after listening to something like Post-Mortem by Mr. Lif, or Stepfather Factory by El-P, or No Regrets by Aesop Rock, because those guys are true poets, who write with frightening amounts of depth.

No, what I want from Trent is the raw, sincere emotion he puts into his vocals, and as Eli said, the kind of lyrics that sound like he's reading from his own personal diary. That's the kind of thing no rapper can give to me. Well, apart from Slug, but even he can get unbelievably annoying at times.

>>By Stinkfist



Well, as I don't listen to hip-hop and know nothing about it, I can't really comment. But I will say most of Trent's lyrics certainly appeal to me in a poetic way. Another thing I love to see in lyrics is when they tell a story or talk about a character the artist has in mind, i.e *not* talking about their own emotions and so on. Reznor's done this on occasion, PJ Harvey and of course Bowie are the best for it though. Oh and Nick Cave. Oh yeah and Chris Cornell, especially some of the Audioslave stuff.

For me, I'm Looking Forward to Joining You is better than Somewhat Damaged or for that matter most other NIN lyrics I can think of, because it gave me something to visualize, picturing a scene, much like PJ Harvey's To Bring You My Love album or Audioslave's Like A Stone, or for a more extreme example, Bowie's Outside.

>>By Flagg



Well that's the thing, while I like a lot of his lyrics, I really don't see them as poetic. In fact, as much as I hate to say this, his writing often sounds almost juvenile. Not to the extent of like, a nu metal vocalist's ''bad high-school poetry'' juvenile, but it's closer than I'd expect from someone regarded as one of the great rock artists of our time. While that sort of angsty thing works superbly for him sometimes (Something I Can Never Have, Hurt, The Great Below etc) it doesn't work more often than not. I read a review of a NIN record recently which summed up Reznor's lyrics perfectly; ''Great, but don't sing the lyrics out loud unless you're 15 or under.''

Seriously, read the lyrics to this song (it's about the four rappers different responses to a hypothetical nuclear-holocaust), and you'll see what I mean. The last verse in particular is stunning.

http:// display.lyrics.astraweb.com:2000/display.cgi? mr_lif..i_phantom..post_mortem

(paste the link in, then take out the spaces between :// display and ? mr_lif)

Chris Cornell is wonderful, although I have to say, I can't stand Audioslave, which is frustrating for me because I loved both Soundgarden and Rage.

>>By Stinkfist



the new audioslave single sucks, i was always just ok with soundgarden and rage, i mean there good and I have nothing against them, but i'm not a huge fan of their music

>>By Machine_of_Undertow



I read those lyrics Stinkfist. They're good in their way I guess, but I don't really get anything from that kind of theme. Apart from Rage Against the Machine, most lyrics meant to make a statement, whether it's against nuclear war or anything elsen effe, don't really have act on me. Having said that, alot of Radiohead's lyrics could be seen as statements - Kid A is apparently about global warming and Hail to the Thief is quite political - but with them it's like they've put so much thought into the lyrics that you really can't tell.

The thing is, you can write lyrics about oppressive governments or you can write lyrics about how you're really fucked up and drowning in your own problems, and either can be done badly, either can be written in a 15-year-old style, but it's not the content that dictates how good the lyrics are. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. In fact Thom Yorke could write a song where the lyrics actually came down to 'I like to molest tawny owls with sporks drenched in pepsi' but he would probably twist it round so much and use such imaginative language and intriguing metaphors, that he'd end up with a good song. For me at least, that's what lyrics are really about.

Back to NIN though. I guess you're right, lyrics aren't always Trent's strong point. Now that I think about it it's the music that I really enjoy, but at least he's passionate.

>>By Flagg



This is a good idea, everyone should do it..

http://www.azlyrics.com-/lyrics/pjharvey/tobring-youmylove.html
(delete both hyphens)
Here's an example of the kind of lyrics I absolutely love.

>>By Flagg



I'm hearing With Teeth tonight :) :) :)

>>By Flagg



Alright, I heard it, now I am duty-bound to tell all of you to hear it RIGHT NOW.

>>By Flagg



Oh yeah and no one is qualified to talk about Trent Reznor's lyric-writing skills until they've heard Right Where It Belongs.

Ok, now I'm not gonna post anything here until someone else has.

>>By Flagg



My copy of With Teeth arriving tomorrow!

And one song isn't going to change my opinion, if the whole album is as mature as it's supposed to be, then maybe.

All the pigs are all lined up...

>>By Stinkfist



Oh god I'm going to see them in July.

>>By Flagg



awitha teetha.

>>By Flagg



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