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>>By MetalBladeRecords (Tuesday, 8 Feb 2005 18:20)
you can settle out of court to keep things quiet! court cases like this can ruin people and careers! as for the peter pan syndrome! if i had enough money id have a fairground in my house too!! not because i wanna molest kids becauseits fun and i have a SOH!!! has anyone thought that maybe the families in these cases are after mjs money?? its a horrible thing to say about people i dont know however i have said that from the start! sorry if i offended anyone with my opinions!
>>By once_more_with_feeling (Tuesday, 8 Feb 2005 19:06)
ok i wrote my piece above^^ and i have to change one sentance!
"not because i wanna molest kids but because its fun to have things you want and i have a SOH!!!!"
the first version didnt quite sound right! thank you and goodnight!!
>>By once_more_with_feeling (Tuesday, 8 Feb 2005 19:09)
lol funny once i guess i shouldnt judge the guy before he's guilty but you have to adimit he has all the signs if the shoe fits.....
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Tuesday, 8 Feb 2005 19:20)
maybe there are alot of signs which point to guilt...but there are also a lot of signs which point to innocence. and its alright saying you only settle out of court if your guilty...but if your a true victim of said acts...you wouldnt accept the money because you can not buy justice! if anyone touched my son in that manor id not stop til they were rotting in jail. no amount of money would make me stop houndning the blood of a guilty man!
>>By molkos_lover (Tuesday, 8 Feb 2005 20:00)
Don't think i could take 'dirty money'. Maybe MJ is guilty, maybe he's not. But finding justice
in an amount of money is like buying justice. That's no justice. That's greed, getting rich and wealthy by the suffering of a child. I hope MJ is not guilty. But if he is then he's gotta go. Justice must be done. But those who get rich by his conviction proove they're not any better than MJ is, being another cliché of a goldhunt that already have caused the lives of millions of people during the centuries. If this kind of justice will be done then it appears to me besides intellectual development nothing really has improved anything.
>>By Sanvean (Wednesday, 9 Feb 2005 10:12)
well said hun! i totally agree with everything you just said! :o)
>>By molkos_lover (Wednesday, 9 Feb 2005 10:32)
Even if Michael Jackson is guilty(which he probably is) we all know he's going to get off or at the very least a light sentence money buys your way out of all most anything
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 02:08)
well, if so....who wouldnt buy their way out of trouble if they could?! lol
>>By molkos_lover (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 10:33)
It's the perfect setup - kid gets invited to Michael Jackson's neverland ranch, parent's on low incomes, they make their son tell these tall tales so that they can swindle money out of Michael Jackson. That's what I believe anyhow.
So let's say he is guilty - fair enough, then he deserves to do a long spell behind bars.
But what if he isn't? He will still be subject to the stigma of paedophillia and I believe that's wrong. Why should it be that way when it was the parent's lying all along perhaps? Would they do some time behind bars for lying? Very fucking unlikely. But c'est la vie.
Anyhow, Michael Jackson has not been found guilty of any crime so I have no idea what you are all babbling about.,
>>By cute_fluffy_death_thing (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 13:03)
We were reffering to the last time michael Jackson was accused of being a paedophile he settled out of court and paid the parents of the child 20million i believe i was bringing up the point of how that made him look guilty
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 15:45)
i totally agree with cute_fluffy......even though he did settle out of court, he still has not been found guilty of anything. the only thing he is guilty of is paying thousands, if not millions, to charities which help children struggling in poverty...help ease their pain, not make it worse!
>>By molkos_lover (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 16:46)
*aplaudes molkos_lover and Sanvean!* well said!!
>>By once_more_with_feeling (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 17:03)
If Jackson was just another average smuck with a weird lifestyle and he invited children to his place and accusations of child molestation came up everyone would believe he was guilty without thinking twice
The only reason most people believe he is innocent is because they like his music and to them he can do no wrong i wonder if Jackson was the average person like us and these accusations came up would people like molkos Sanvean and once_more be so eager to come to his defence? just a thought
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Thursday, 10 Feb 2005 21:59)
I alwasy thought this was a place to discuss music myself...I guess I've been proven wrong.
This is for MetalBladeRecords - a guy who seems open to debate.
Have a think about this. Let's say you were a milti millionaire for one moment. You are so big, you own the rights to the music of the Beatles. You are so rich, you own your own theme park. But you also do a lot of charity work. A hell of a lot of charity work. You have made an impression on many peoples lives.
Then one day, a family are invited to your theme park, a regular occurance. But they know how close you are to children and use it against you to try and swindle you out of more money than they could ever dream of. Let's say that the means you used was to force you own child into stating that you molested him. Ok, you're trying to get your career back on track - you do not need this so even though it makes you out to be the guilty party, you settle out in court.
What happens next is another trial takes place - to finally decide if you are innocent or guilty - nothing in between.
Let's say that I am the person who made the allegations and they turned out to be true. So be it - you deserved what you get.
But on the other hand, let's say it turned out to be a scam. You would still have the stigma of paedophilla attached to yourself, even though it was proven wrong. So how come I'm not in prison?
Think about it.
>>By cute_fluffy_death_thing (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 04:10)
And while we are on the subject of paedophilla; does anyone actually know the true origin or that word?
It means child obsession - someone who can only be aroused by children.
Ok, let's take this so called "discussion" one step further.
You are a guy in your early 20's. It's Friday evening, you've just got in from work and you're ready to shower and hit the town. You go to your favourite bar as usual, order a few drinks for you and your friends and start the party.
Ok, so this hot girl is giving you the eye all night. You eventually, go over and start filrting with her and she does the same. Next thing you know, you've got your tounge down her throat and not long after that, you're in a cab on the way back to your apartment.
Next morning, she's long gone and not long after you get up, the police knock your door. You've been charged with rape. Turns out, she was 15 all along. Of course, they brought her in for questioning and she finally turns around and admitted it was consensual (which isn't true cause 15 isn't the age of consent). But he police being upstanding hetrosexuals of the community decide to take pity on you and think, "well, given the circumstances, anyone would want her. she probably looked 18 at the time - she consented. who knew any different?"
Ok. So let's turn the tables around. Same scenario. Same atmosphere. Except you are gay and your hot one night stand is a 15 year old boy who you believe to be 18. So? You're a freak now. You fiddle young boys. No-one takes pity on you and your name is shamed.
Where is the difference I ask? And where is the justice?
>>By cute_fluffy_death_thing (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 04:20)
omg! amazing! you rock cute_fluffy!! that is so true what you said. i hope people really do think about it. i know i will! :o)
>>By molkos_lover (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 09:42)
hey metalblade...music has nothing to do with me jumping to his defence! as ive said so many times before, we dont know the truth and we never will to be honest. we just go by the media dont we! but i go by what i believe.
as for his music, i think it has gone downhill.i still buy his albums though. you cant beat the old stuff! and i really wish he never had surgery...but i know id change what i dont like about myself, if i had the money! :oP
anyone got any jocko favourite tunes?
>>By molkos_lover (Saturday, 12 Feb 2005 16:38)
beat it, earth song, thriller, billie jean, smooth criminal, speed demon, man in the mirror, do you remember the time, dont stop till i get enough etc etc
all classics, all of them rock.
>>By cute_fluffy_death_thing (Saturday, 12 Feb 2005 23:11)
billie jean rocks! there are some songs which just HAVE to be played very loud!!!! dangerous is a good one too :o)
>>By molkos_lover (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 16:01)
Question if a 47 year old man admits he practices sleeping in the same bed as young children and more than one come forward claiming child molestaion keep in mind this is the average joe who would you believe?
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 16:40)
depends who YOU are i guess. im not one to believe the media. im not a tabloid junkie! the only people who know the truth would be the victim and the abuser (which ever way round you see that), the rest just goes on 2nd hand information. forsensic eveidence is the only way to prove it. until that kind of hard evidence comes to light, then i turn a blind eye to such stories.
and wo are these stories coming from, REALLY, the child or the money hungry adult?
and besides, if it was an average joe, people dont sue and settle out of court for loads of money....people go to jail! i know id want the guy in jail, not giving me money!
>>By molkos_lover (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 19:42)
there is a big difference between a tabloid and a reputable newspaper it was the newspaper which printed that jackson likes to sleep in the same bed as children this was a statement of fact which jackson even admitted to so i would not dismiss stories as tabloids just because they print something that you dislike
and the point of my previous post was that the only reason people believe jacksons innocence is because they are his fans a point which you and cute_fluffy have proven quite nicely
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 19:33)
well of course fans are going to back him up! its only natural. but thats not always WHY i person would back someone up! and, ok i agree its not normal for a grown man to sleep in the same bed as a child....but why does "sleep with" always have to mean sexual contact????
once a week i stay ay my sisters house for a girlie night in. and the only bed for me to sleep in is the one beneath my nieces...so once a week i sleep in the same room as a child which isnt mine! not my child and not my house! so does that make me guilty of such acts?
im not such a fan of jacko now, but as a child i worshipped the ground he walked on...and i know given the chance id have stayed at his ranch too!
>>By molkos_lover (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 21:26)
>once a week i stay ay my sisters house for a girlie night in. and the only bed for me to sleep in >is the one beneath my nieces...so once a week i sleep in the same room as a child which isnt >mine! not my child and not my house! so does that make me guilty of such acts?
Quite rightly said. And on another note, my partner is an expectant mother to be. I'll imagine there will be times when he/she (haven't had the scan yet!) has nightmares and wants to come in and sleep with us. That is also normal.
So is it normal that if we hired a nanny or babysitter and same nightmares go on and they want to sleep on the couch with the nanny or something. That also makes sense.
MetalBlade, i see your point but I have to disagree completely. You are just not looking at the larger picture.
Anyhow, I've had enough of this as I always thought this was a forum for musical debate, not slander.
>>By cute_fluffy_death_thing (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 13:09)
thank you cute_fluffy! :o) glad you see my point, and i agree with what you say too.
btw, congratulations on the pregnancy!! i bet your well excited!? i want another kid but i dont think me and my bloke are ready for one yet. my fella is not the father of my son, but now we have bought a house together etc, and he has accepted my son just as my son has accepted him. so, hopefully, when finances settle we will be able to have one together. i know Lars (my son) wants a brother or sister, and i worry the gap is getting too big now coz he is almost 7!! lol
>>By molkos_lover (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 15:49)
its clear that were never going to see eye to eye on this you think he's innocent i think he's guilty the courts will decide soon enough so i am going to drop it until the verdict
but just to answer cute_fluffys last post when she said there were no beds left and she had to sleep in the same bed thats different than Jackson because he is rich he doesnt have to sleep in the same bed of children he likes to that and his eccentric lifestyle of prefering children as company makes me doubt his innocence
anyways congrats on the pregnancy get lots of sleep while you can lol
>>By MetalBladeRecords (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 17:19)
im glad thats over! lol
however metalblade...hunny... i think youll find cute fluffy is a male (going by his profile) :o/
hee hee...sorry, had to say it.
take care peeps. x
>>By molkos_lover (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 19:06)
mike paid in the past. if he wanted his name untarnished, wouldn't it be wise to never again repeat the past. what was m.j. thinking???????what does he expect the public to think? from what i've read, the cops have quite a bit of evidece against him. i have always loved his music since the jackson 5. if he is quilty, i hate to say, but there is no cure for him. he needs rehab, and never to be around children EVER. i have clients that are in their 40s now and were sexually molested as children..and guess what!!!!..they will never be right in the head again.......so bye bye mikey if u are guilty....so sad.
>>By coca (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 23:30)
hmm i have to agree. if he is guilty, he deserves all he gets. but til then....bring on the music! :o)
>>By molkos_lover (Wednesday, 16 Feb 2005 10:03)
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