did you just love chris rocks comments at the MTV awards... "good charlotte? more love average greenday"...haha so true!
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The trick to sell something is to know that the colour is red and the tool is hamer...
If you know your commercial tricks even untalented, ugly posers will sell, Brazilman.. Pop is all about the right marketing these days, you have to sell (preferably singles, because they make more profit) and sell.. u can even make people buy shit, as long as they believe it is cuisine cake.....
And to me GC is heaps of..........
MUSIC IS PRODUCT: BAND IS NOMORE THEN FABRIC WORKER FOR THE SUITS... WORKING FOR THE MAN!!!!!!!
But isn't it easier to sell someone talented? There are still talented bands that I like, and surely they'd be making even more money but still produce good music to a wider audience if they had the men in suits backing them. Pop just means popular, so why does pop have to be the shite it is?
I hate the new thing in my school about how Benji and Joe have had it hard and their songs have a lot of meaning. God people, the lead singer from Thursday has had it like 20 times worse. B and J's life is cake compared to him. So sad and Thursday(sorry to bring it up again) has a lot more meaning than Good Charlotte songs will ever have.
Talented musicians don't wanna give in on their talent.. so they are not moldable by the men in suit.. Talented musicians often have their own ideas with what they want with their band, so they are not adjustable by the marketing people.. Talented people think they can do only with their talent, so they are to stubborn for the suits... they rather have some dead fish who follow their stream then talented musicians with their own vision.....
That's why they don't take talented bands.. because they have an opinion and don't wanna give in....
Pop means popular. So that means that pop music MUST be something that someone already likes, which results in a bunch of rehashes that call themselves "rock". Good Charlotte "hot", they look more like they just stepped out of a garbage can!! Emoboy is right. I don't get how it is that Good Charlotte had it hard. And if you want meaning, listen to "Disposable Heroes", "For Whom The Bells Toll", or "Escape" by Metallica. THOSE songs have meaning since they talk about the emotions of soldiers during war and about how you can just stand up and take everything everybody likes, listens to, and tells you to do, and throw it out the window. And if you think "Hold On" is about not giving up, then you need to buy Bruce Springsteen's album "The Rising".
What makes me mad is prep culture taking over GC and giving them a bad name. Prep culture's taking over everything now. You see all these people on boards saying shit like.."OMG like I love GC!! Benji is like SO hott!! OMG!!!" like Sk8er Gurl there. They think they're punk, but they're NOT!!!! Anyone who likes a band for what they look like is a preppy teeny bopper in my book. I've been a GC fan since before I knew what they looked like, and even if they were dead ugly, I'd love them no less. Damn you prep culture, find your own scene!
I like what punk_child_8713 said. She speaks the truth. There is nothing wrong with Good Charlotte, but prep culture has given them a bad name. But hey, at least they are still doing their thing nonetheless.
It's okay to like a band that claims to be something it isn't. If you like the music you can't help that. My main grudge is against the poser fans who categorise it as punk when they really don't know what punk is. If the majority of people remember GC as punk, punk they shall become. It grieves me that GC can change punk in this way, and I object to those who would change punk by adding GC to it. Punk, being a part of human culture, is only what the majority of humans call it, and if the majority is made up of posers, GC is punk. I don't want GC to be punk, because I like the original image of punk and GC are destroying it. So I am more annoyed about the destruction of punk than the pollution of the airwaves GC is perpetrating. Also a certain someone in my life is obsessed with them, but she's obsessed with a lot of other dreadful music too.
I...don't like ....good charlette they think they're punk and they get piercings and tattoos and whine about "oh my gosh nobody likes me" and MTV plays them way too fucking much maybe there is some truth to what punk_child said in fact a lot of truth but if so many pop-culture dumbass posers like them and they haven't made any statements about it and continue to suck up to the cameras then they're pop to me...
punk_child_8713: tottally agree with you on how good charlotte is good because of thier music and not because of there image.. gc is hot... but your right.. and i liked them before i knew what the y looked like too:)
If you think GC is punk, you don't know what punk really is. You've been misled by TRL and other propaganda. All that is evil, and pop bands like GC are evil to support MTV. Why can't you GC fans like some good music? I'd rather my band were not famous than have all these poser fans.
>>By Sk8er H8er
i dont think good charolette is punk at all
Honestly, why does everyone get all upset over these guys. If they suck so bad, then why are they getting so much attention from you. GC can't change punk, punk will change regardless. Things change, and thats the way it is. Punk is in the heart, not in the fashion. Punk is way different now then it was in the late 70's, but so is everything else. Things have to change with the times in order to survive. But, only the music will change, not the meaning. Not the attitude, not the anger. It will always be there. People get mad about how GC complains about girls, and life, and their family, but all you people bitch and moan over GC non stop. And if they are just another fad that will disapear in less than a year, then how will it affect punk? Give me a break!!! Punk has lived for far to long to be destroyed by another fad. Leave GC alone, who give a shit if they are punk or not. If you don't like em, ignore em.
I can't believe theres actually people out there who think Good Charlotte is punk. You all are so worried about posers and shit but a poser is anyone who can't form their own opinion so they copy what "cool" people do, and studios try to bank on this mob mentality of if that person likes this i have to like it to. and some people on here actually put an artist's talent and the same level as their "hotness". Most of those fake ass kids out there who claim themselves as punk don't even know who Sham 69 is or motherfucking Bad Brains, nor do they know that without reggae, ska, Mod, skinheads (not Nazis), and New Wave they wouldn't have their precious emo pop cds wrapped up in a pretty punk bow. Fuck i bet most of the people on this board don't even know who The Damned are. Im not trying to put anyone down im just trying to open some eyes so we can have a less retarded nation. I don't care if you like Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Simple Plan,..... just don't call it punk and don't think yourself hardcore for listening to it or think for a second that you have any actual problems because we live in the richest country in the world so whatever your rich suburbanite mind has convinced yourself of you have no reason to be depressed and you should probably open up a book before you open your mouth (or your laptop...whichever one runs the most)
It is abit bitchy to do this, but still:
Bad Brains is not punk, but is broadly considered bein the first crossover hardcore band....
Neither do I think that the Damned is such a good band that it should be widely known.....
Still I agree with what you are saying here, but it seems to me, that this board can be divided in to 3 mails: one saying GC is not punk, and it is not nice music only listened to by poser teenagers (preppy for that case), the second saying that it makes no difference if they are punk are not they just make good music (?); and third a posrting saying that Benji is so Cute (?!?)....
Don't know yet which one of the last two suprises me most.......
I believe Bad Brains to be punk because they were one of the first band of their kind. They were doing hardcore shit when kids were still caught up in The Sex Pistols, and they continued to meddle with reggae even though its a completely different style than hardcore. I respect that band alot and it frustrates me to see ametuers, who have only been in the music business for a few years, get more repsect, more fans, and more money than bands that have been doing this thing for 25 years. but hey i guess its not for everyone.
The only reason i mentioned The Damned is because they were one of the first, if not the first, band to be coined "punk", yet i've met few people who know who they are. new bands claim they stick to the roots while mentioning influences like Rancid and NOFX. I like and respect both of those bands but there were bands that influenced them and, in my opinion, they're alot better. its like no one cares to seek out new bands and heaven forefend they listen to someone that MTV hasn't tried to capitalize on. Even the term punk has its begginings in a marketing scam by the sex pistols' manager.
i really never listen to new Good Charlotte. I like that Girls & Boys song but i don't think they weren't the ones that wrote it. i seem to remember that tune from the 80's but i can't remember the name of the original artist. i used to listen to their self titled cd with my friend jamie but even when i first started to listen to them they sounded hella more like pop then punk. i don't consider them punk b/c they aren't doing anything new. they don't have a new sound nor do they bring anything to the table that hasn't been brought before. and even if they did have a new sound studio executives would morph it into the same regurgitated crap they've been despensing scince the 80's. in other words The Damned and Bad Brains may not have a perfect sound on their albums but at least you know it is untampered with.
There were quite some bands before the Damned that were labeled punk, but I get your point and I appreciate people liking music for the music........
I totally agree with you Johnny. Completely. Good job! I never said GC were punk, and just because I like punk music, doesn't mean that I think that GC is punk. IT doesn't MATTER if they are or not. Why are all of you so obsessed with bitching about genres? Seriously...bit WHOP if they're punk or not. What happened to it being about the MUSIC and not the image?
i agree with jonny
I don't a band is punk for just doing something new. It's so easy to label punk if it's something new and unheard of. I don't think GC is all that original, but they still manage to do okay for themselves. When I think of punk, I don't think of GC, I think of the clash, the ramones, rancid, operation ivy, suicide machines, green day, the unseen, the exploited, the bouncing souls, dropkick murphys, one man army, AFI, the forgotten. Those bands are what punk is to me. But for some 15 year old girl, GC might be punk. I started off listening to blink 182 when I was 13, and now I'm obsessed with Rancid. I still respect band like GC and blink 182 for what they are. But it's just music to me.
i hate M TV they gave Good Charlotte a bad name
I don't watch MTV, but I used to along time ago, and yeah it sux!
What happened to it being about the MUSIC and not the image?
Then why are GC so concerned about their Image?
Yes, MTV gave Good Charlotte a bad name, but are they doing anything to get rid of their bad name? GC give punk a bad name. Of course, both of those statements are only true for a given definiton of bad. People like Sk8er Gurl!!! think it's a good name, even if many of us disagree. Thanks to Good Charlotte, the next generation of punk bands will have that "bad" name, and perhaps the next generation of fans won't like that. What I'm saying is that by making punk something that conforms to MTV's standards, GC are killing punk, changing it into yet another brief source of money for MTV. Nothing on MTV lasts forever.
>>By Sk8er H8er
>>By Suyen X
omg but good charlottte iz sOoOoOoOo gr8 tho! and hott! did i mention thyre hott? i didnt? ok! thyre soooooooooo HOTT!
I lyke it wen u put it right thurr.
i luuuuuv good charlotte punks baby!
>>By ~Sk8er Gurl~
I don't think GC is so concerned about their image. And I don't think they need to do anything to change their. Especially for people like most of the people here. And GC can't touch punk rock's name, they can only influence 15 year old girls. I'd rather 15 year old girls be influenced by GC than a lot of that other shit in this world.
~Sk8er Gurl~ didnt you get kicked off?
>What happened to it being about the MUSIC and not the image?
MTV changed that around when they showed up on the face of the earth.
To anybody who thinks Benji is "hot", here's what I think, he looks like a trainwreck.
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