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i think there must be a huge difference with emo in u.k.and elsewhere, because ive definately seen the really annoying underwear thing!
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 12:34)
That's a ridiculous comparison coz even emos play bass as we've discussed! If you can give me some reasons bass is stupid and I can't refute them, I'll give up on the emos although I can probably give you more sensible reasons that emo bassists are stupid
Anyway, this American Emo vs British Emo Haters is clearly a pointless argument since we've clearly distinguished that our emos are different from yours
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 13:58)
no that is not a skater gansta thing... for 1 gangsta and skaters are two entirely different people and gangstas round here wear very baggy pants not round their ankles.... and skaters dont becoz the simple fact of the matter is you cannot skate in pants like that....
english emos are very much different from yank emos... for a start whats popular over there you would get bullied to shit for over here... and whats cool and popular over here ie chav isnt as common over there... you can hardly argue that the points are wrong if the whole system of whats cool and whats not is completely different... maybe emos are different over there but what you might call emos over there we might call something else.... i have many more i can add to that list and no the list cannot be posted on vf im also on that site and if i want it posting i shall do it myself thank you. its enough that ive distinguished on my vf profile that i dislike emos.
the annoying underwear thing is very emo over here.
>>By spookygoth (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 22:50)
oh and urbane... your from canada english emo traits wont apply to you... and i imagine if you laughed at some1 for playing bass long enough they would infact think twice about doing it because as well established very early on in the conversation everybody conforms eventually to something or other sad fact of life but a true one unfortunately.
>>By spookygoth (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 22:56)
In answer to Sk8H8a:
2. ... I like how you're "insulting" me by saying "get over it" ... when in fact, I didn't know what she meant, and as of this second, still don't! So you get over it.
3. Who cares if they can pay the bills or not? What's the point of being "rebellous" if you pay for the damage in the end?
6. Have you never listened to things like the Sex Pistols? I mean, they were an iconic band, no doubt, they are one of my favorites, but Sid Vicious couldn't play bass, his lines were simplistic, as were many basslines of beginning punk music. I'm sorry, I don't listen to "modern" punk ... because I'm not so sure what that includes. Because last time I checked, Good Charlotte was considered punk, and let me just say, ew.
7. What does being male have to do with porn? I think it's sad that people (male and female) have to get their "pleasure" off of the internet. Just because she said "males" doesn't limit it, excuse me for voicing my opinion. Weren't you the one who was yelling about people stiffling others opinions on this site?
8. People are different no matter where you go ... it's a given.
Wow, the underwear thing caused a great "stir" so ... here's my opinion. Most emo kids I know here in NYC don't wear their pants so far down that you can see their underwear because they're wearing girl pants. Therefore, too tight to fall down that far. On the other hand skater boys usually have their underwear hanging out because they still wear the baggy pants that are the standard for guys. And they can skate like that because I've seen it, first hand. Bam's pants are usually never up and he can skate just fine, professionally. And of course "gangsta" and skater are different, it was just less typing for me to add in the little slash thing. But all the gangstas I see around here have those baggy pants and the oversized shirts. If they have no shirts on or lift those oversized shirts, you'll definitely see underwear.
>>By Wednesday (Sunday, 18 Jun 2006 00:12)
you dont understand they dont fall down... im not saying they wear pants too big for em if anything they wear girls pants here too but they intentionally where them showing off thier underwear here too. as for the girl emos hear... they wear underwear that has either been made from their grandmas 50 year old flowery curtains.... or they wear like boxer shorts... its really odd.
how can you see underwear if the gansta is wearing oversized shirts? surely if anything the shirt would cover it up well beyond underewear level.... we dont get that many gangstas here just the odd one but you hadrly ever see them in england... or at least not in this part of england but the gangstas here never ever take thier tops off..
but the skaters here dont wear their pants around their kness here. they wear slightly baggy pants sometimes but ive never seen a skater round here for years without a funky little belt holding thier pants up properly...if anything the skaters around here wear shorts and three quater lengths rather than pants..
>>By spookygoth (Sunday, 18 Jun 2006 10:56)
And this is all evidence that things are different depending on where you go.
I don't wear granny underwear or boxers, and that's all the detail I shall go into there. But most of the emo guys here don't wear their underwear sticking out (I know what you mean now) ... at least not always. They usually wear black or white studded belts and such.
You usually can't see the gangstas underwear from underneath their baggy shirts, but if ever they are wearing properly sized shirts you can see their underwear, or if they're not wearing any shirts at all because then their pants are around their knees. I live near this playground thingy on Staten Island and there are always gangsta guys playing basketball with no shirts on and their underwear are always out. I'm surprised none of them have ever lost their pants when they jump because they're already around their knees.
Oh! Skaters here wear that kind of stuff too, but they mostly wear whatever because they usually don't care. All my friends, and I, skateboard, so yeah ...
>>By Wednesday (Sunday, 18 Jun 2006 17:26)
hehe this discussion is mad.
>>By scarletnikki (Sunday, 18 Jun 2006 19:27)
It sure is.
I think more people should dress like early nineties Seattle grunge bands.
http://web.stargate.net/ soundgarden/images/cdb6.jpg
That's the stuff.
Spookygoth, I'm afraid I didn't read your post that came directly after my one, I couldn't be bothered. I'll just assume you argued well and viciously.
I'll just say again that I think you people should stop being so nasty to emo kids for the hell of it. Ok, emo is stupid, what else is new?
>>By Flagg (Monday, 19 Jun 2006 19:00)
hey i aint the only one laughin at emo kids... just read up and youll see that afew people do but yet you chose me to tell what to do.... unfair and i dont know whether its because of what...im female and im an easier target that some of the other, you have a personal vendetta you dont like that fact that im not the only one and your trying to pick a target to make an example of or what and i personally dont care... but you dont exaclty have any right to tell me what i should and shouldnt do until you tell everybody else... individually as you have with me not to either because thats stupid...
and i wasnt vicious either for that matter unless you have some underlying fear of fish... slapped with a wet fish is just an expression and a funny one 2 and the rest is just how i feel and if you take my opinion to be vicious then maybe debating isnt for you. i havent taken anything youve said offensively or as aggressive so why on earth would i retaliate in that way i wouldnt and didnt..... now debate with me all you like but dont single me out because you feel like it dear... youll also note that in my comments i rarely use names... and i dont think i have actually used yours so to pick me out of a group of people who have said the same thing is well... call it what you will i dont know what to call it.
ye anyway we have very few gangstas here... and i have never seen anybody play basket ball here... the only place that any1 plays basket ball is in school for P.E and every1 has the same kit for that but we dont have many places to do stuff like that people play football here and practically sod all else and gangstas here dont do that... ive only ever sin gangsta type people in manchester and that doesnt mean to say they were even from around here coz manchester gets alot of tourists and what not so..... and the skaters here well we dont have many of them anymore either main skate park in manchester got knocked down and we get £1000 fine if we skate on the streets... and i also used to skate and me and my friends never used to show our underwear off or had out pants round our knees.
the emos here wear belts.. but they were them in the same place they wear there pants i think its so they dont fall down completely or just coz emos have developed belts into the trend but either way around here emos defo wear theird pants really low...
went to see foo fighters this weekend and there were loads of emos there... low pants greasy hair covering their face and stripy tops...
emo girls here have a thing about developing 'love handles' lol it sounds weird but i dont think ive seen a single emo girl around here yet that hasnt had really tight pants.. the underwear thing and then two big lumps at top of their pants... its really weird... im sayin emo girls are fat or anything quite alot of em are skinny but they all seem to have these love handle things and it looks really weird...but chav girls do that too but i reckon chav gilrs have em because they have had about 3 kids by the time they hit 13 anyway.... youngest mother in england now is 11. blech!so wrong! i dont know why emo girls have them though.. maybe its just fashionable for them to have that too? god knows
>>By spookygoth (Monday, 19 Jun 2006 19:42)
that's right, i'm sexist and i have a personal vendetta against you for no reason, and i'm the embodiment of pure evil. bow before me.
>>By Flagg (Monday, 19 Jun 2006 21:18)
mtv2 had an evening devoted to emo last night. i'd be interested to know which bands come under emo?
>>By scarletnikki (Tuesday, 20 Jun 2006 17:36)
Afraid I can't give a terribly well-informed answer to that Scarlet so I won't bother. I have discovered via this board tho' that teen dresscode prejudice is alive and well in the UK.....
>>By planet ear (Wednesday, 21 Jun 2006 02:20)
Too true.
>>By Flagg (Wednesday, 21 Jun 2006 11:49)
there are emo bands on the side of this thing.... but i dont fink afi are emo... im not a fan of em but how can they be emo if they were kicking around well before emo ever came about... im not sure what you would class them as i guess they do sound a bit emoish as far as the new stuff is concerned.... but all thier old stuff is well not emo for a start on one of thier videos...(cnt remember which one like i said im not a fan) they are like dressed a cross between goth and punk.... black hair make up piercings and stuff.. and the music was heavier and made more sense than emo... theyve gone abit downhill since i think but still.
and i never said you was evil far from it ... i just enquired about why you singled me out of a whole bunch of people who laugh at emo hate emo etc... there are plenty of em so why just me.... hmmm and the only new reason i can think of is that im one of the main ones supplying the evidence.... evidence that you probably know is true but dont want to admit or evidence that you cnt really deny because your probably not from england and wouldnt know...... but then again im not the only one doin that either
>>By spookygoth (Wednesday, 21 Jun 2006 16:24)
the people I have seen who look emo look like mcfly or busted or son of dork
>>By scarletnikki (Wednesday, 21 Jun 2006 16:41)
Hm ... emo around here means Hawthorne Heights, who completely suck ... and then there's Fall Out Boy (but I like them) ... emo is a very complicated thing, people say I'm emo, I'll say I'm emo, I really don't care at this point ... I'm just Wednesday, deal with it please. I love music, it's basically my life ... so if I hear something I like, I'll listen to it ... I no longer care what is defined as what because I've learned that if you try to define yourself, you fall into the conformity of things, and that is true emo ... they conform, it's true, they say they're individuals but they're not. You can't be an individual in the same what 50,000 other teenagers are. It doesn't make sense, I agree. And obviously styles of emo are different where ever you go and who said there really is an "emo" because as far as I can tell from this message board, no one can quite agree to what being emo consists of, except that it's stupid to be one. I may sound hypocritical here, but I don't really care anymore, that's my opinion on this whole emo thing ... so, there you go.
>>By Wednesday (Thursday, 22 Jun 2006 03:55)
Wednesday I'd probably agree with you if I was entirely sure what you meant! ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 22 Jun 2006 14:56)
I know exactly what you mean wednesday,I have been labelled a punk and a hippy when I am not really any of those things(even a beatnik,for gods sake!)but now I have long black hair ,i'm( obviously )a goth, that is according to the people who are compelled to label,on the end you have to be you and not just following something because others are and you want to be part of that crowd, and in any group of people ,there are bound to be cliches,arent there?
>>By scarletnikki (Thursday, 22 Jun 2006 15:07)
Spookygoth, I was talking to you and Sk8a H8a, I might have used your name because I was referring to something specific that you had said, I can't rememer now. But I assure you I didn't mean to single you out, and I don't have anything against you personally.
Actually I am from England, I do recognise everything you say about emo kids, and I don't secretly agree with you. I stand by everything I said, I can't really add anything.
>>By Flagg (Thursday, 22 Jun 2006 22:51)
Except for this, for Sk8a H8a:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_warfare
I don't see anything about laughing at people. Maybe Wikipedia's not the ultimate source of knowledge, but I doubt you'll find anything all that different wherever you look.
>>By Flagg (Thursday, 22 Jun 2006 23:19)
Hehehe ... I'm struck by the possibility that as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" the label is the is product of the sloppy intellectual process of the labeller. Very few would give an unqualified yes when asked if they were (or even accused of being) a "chav", an "emo", a "hippy" etc etc. The peer group label is almost always qualified or more finely delineated ie "In some ways I'm emo" "I'm a grown-up hippy".... and indeed for example Scarlet seems to resent others labeling her.... yet still (if I recall correctly), like others on this thread is prepared to dehumanise others by grouping them according to her own prejudices or peer group labels.
It seems to me that when a person labels another human being in a pejorative fashion it is their own perhaps their own loss, since they have through their own bigotry reduced the chance of meaningful interaction or of learning more about experiences or thoughts of that person. We all happen to live on the same planet (altho' some might playfully comment I seem to be from another one ;) ) wouldn't little more tolerance and empathy be a better thing?
For myself I'm far from convinced that Scarlet has fully understood where Wednesdays' thoughts were heading, but I'll leave Wednesday to speak for herself on the matter....
Interesting comments Flagg :)
>>By planet ear (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 01:00)
Planet Ear you're talking sense, and you remind me of the dude from Due South.
I think most people just can't believe that everyone in the world is as complex and unique as them. I know I can't, and yet if I think about it I think it's probably true.
>>By Flagg (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 10:30)
Thanks Flagg, but what is "Due South"?
>>By planet ear (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 15:51)
why do you think I got wednesday so wrong planet ear? I think that the only thing I have said is I find people who dress in emo fashion sometimes amusing, and I have noticed they tend to hang around in a group together,,I am not as offended by emo as some people seem to be ,I have just observed the phenomenon,and was interested to know others opinions. I don.t mind people labelling me at all ,its easier for people to put others into a box,it makes them feel more comfortable.I am not complex or particularly unique,but have never quire fitted in to the mainstream.
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 16:18)
planet ear...im also wondering why you have taken such a dislike to the comments i have made? i think others here have said far more.
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 16:22)
Sorry Scarlet I agree that others have said "far more" but when I read the posts yours was one of the more recent and thus more to the front of my mind. I have to say though if you really don't mind being labelled can I call you a "chav"?
>>By planet ear (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 16:55)
not if you dont mind me calling you an offensive name too.
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 17:04)
and anyway.....this discussion is about emo.
>>By scarletnikki (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 17:27)
Due South is a t.v. show about a Canadian mountie who talks kind of similarly to that message you posted planet ear.
Scarletnikki, I think you're probably unique and complex enough to defy being labelled, because I think everyone is. I think it's impossible to express everything about ourselves, it's much easier to express what we have in common with others, which is why we get sorted into groups even though we're all unique.
If you don't mind being 'labelled' then good for you.
>>By Flagg (Friday, 23 Jun 2006 18:03)
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