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Agreed, if you hate what's going on, don't pay attention to it. I mean, I like emo music, go ahead, insult my taste in music, fine with me. But if I like a song, then I like it, not for it's label, but for it's sound. I still listen to the Spice Girls because their songs are fun to dance to, I still listen to NSYNC for the same reason, as well. I don't care what's in style and what isn't. Emo isn't in style, what MTV calls emo is in style. So, criticize all you want. Plus, I don't laugh at them.
>>By Wednesday (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 02:38)
David Schwimmer is not emo... we were comparing Stinkfist (who commented on this discussion) to Ross from Friends...
Personally I find "what MTV calls emo" to be hugely annoying and I'm using this board to share my grievances with some people who might agree with me, disagree with me or for no apparent reason, belittle my opinion and criticise me for posting at all... there seems to be something of a fashion for doing that on gnoosic - telling people to keep their opinions to themselves just because you don't have a comeback argument... what's the point holding an opinin if you're not gonna express it?
As for the concepts of chavs and emos, I dislike them both... that's not to say I hate every chav and every emo, but I resent the existence of the groupings:-
It pains me to see the conformity of emos, especially when some of them are quite cool people otherwise or they used to be anyway... and the emo bassist thing really is hilarious, particularly as I'm a bassist and I know what it's like - also emos in general look pretty funny and worthy of laughter, so why shouldn't I laugh at them? I mock their failure to be original with their fashion styles
The humour thing with chavs is pretty much the same, except they don't generally play bass so all of them are stupid... the conformity's not so much a bother, although chavs have taken it further than a fashion statement like emos and seem to treat it like the ultimate religion - this combined with their violent, anti-social nature has defined them as "the enemy", which is a perfectly good excuse to laugh at them
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 13:31)
*claps in admiration at comeback* another wet fish slaps someone in the face.
i regard myself an outspoken person and me and some of the other had some good conversation on here about emos and what not if the whole purpose of this entire site isnt to talk to others about their likes and dislikes then what the hell is it about?
Fine if you like emo thats your funeral, and like sk8a h8a said i dont hate all emos because a couple of my friends seem to have turned emo and im not going to reject them just for that reason... its a shame that theyve gone that way when they were perfectly unique before hand but i dont hate my friends who have decided to go that way. And they know full well that i laugh at the fact they have gone emo..... emos are funny you know i went to manchester this weekend and saw a group of 20 odd year old emos trying to dunk eachother in the water fountain in the middle of town.... it was funny to see fully grown people dressed up and acting like children so i think i had a valid excuse to laugh.... i wouldnt expect anything different from my friends or anybody if i was to do the same.
>>By spookygoth (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 13:53)
I think any group of people who take themselves too seriously are sad, I am sure some emo music is fine, its more the people who are trying to label themselves that are funny, i too like all types of music and dont dismiss music because it has a label attached to it,.
>>By scarletnikki (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 17:27)
hey scarletnikki remember outside the him gig when we were shouting "emos" and them couple of right clips that were hanging round lol
just came to mind and i wondered if you remembered.
we keep laughing about it in the house and i have have me little boy shouting "emo" now like we were lol
>>By villevalo (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 18:06)
Hahahaha! Everyone's laughing at emos now... I think the tide of opinion is well against Flagg - and thank you, spookygoth
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 20:15)
Was it me that apparently got the "wet fish" to the face? Because I really don't see how, nor do I see how I told anyone to keep their opinions to myself. Actually, I believe I told you all to continue criticizing. This is a site for opinions to be made, not kept in, obviously, or there wouldn't be posting boards.
But, as far as the whole conformity thing goes, completely retarted. Try to be original, but how can anyone be original anymore? I think it's all been done. I listen to A LOT of music, emo included. I like emo, punk, indie, electro, techno, industrial, and some hip-hop (if it is dance-to-able). Labels are quite silly, if you ask me.
But yeah, I agree, the whole bass thing, hilarious. That child deserves to be laughed at, as well as those 20 yr. olds. But, there are a lot of childish people out there, it can't be contained to one, specific grouping.
>>By Wednesday (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 20:20)
It wasn't aimed at you, no... it was aimed at Flagg
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 21:21)
yes I remember the emo fight that was realy funny and now I just see them everywhere!!
>>By scarletnikki (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 21:23)
lol nah the wet fish was to back up sk8a coz i thought he was smack on right with what he said.. lol
haha the child bass player wasnt actually a child though he was like 18 but to listen to some of the dumb things he was saying you would think you was listening to a 10 year old lol.. ahh that memory will always be in my head... when my children ask me about college in many years from now ill tell them all about the laughs i had at emos.
everybody was laughing at emos anyway its just now theyre doing uncontrollably till there stomachs hurt..haha
>>By spookygoth (Thursday, 8 Jun 2006 22:57)
i have have me little boy shouting "emo" now like we were lol
>>By villevalo (Wednesday, 7 Jun 2006 18:06)
I mean EVERYBODY!
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 9 Jun 2006 00:25)
Actually Wednesday, I would criticise you for saying "if you hate what's going on, don't pay attention to it"... I'd draw your attention to Hitler's rise to power again but that seems a bit unfair - if you hate what's going on, don't just let it happen! Do something about it... my choice of action is laughing and taking the piss out of emos because I know that this way, emos will eventually die out because they can't stand being laughed at... as far as I'm aware, any other sort of attack on emos would be unsuccessful, because they'd just become more emo in self-defence, so they best we can do is make emos look stupid and decrease the eligibility of being emo - I think the only other way to stop people being emo is to destroy the system that makes it look cool and that would require a large-scale revolution because the media's influence is inherent within the system and destroying emo will just give rise to some other stupid fad by which the media makes people conform and controls them...
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 9 Jun 2006 14:26)
And I'm supposed to ignore this?
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 9 Jun 2006 14:26)
There's definitely a difference between Hitler and emo ... emo is music, Holocaust was mass murder ... my comment basically only applies to this topic. I mean, do you stop every random person on the street to tell them you don't like their outfit? or their haircut? No, at least I don't, so does that mean you ignore it? Probably, because you probably think to yourself, "oh, that's horrible" ... but you don't tell them.
>>By Wednesday (Friday, 9 Jun 2006 18:48)
but is laughing at them without directly telling them they look like idiots not a form of doing something about it... your not ignoring them if your making it blatently obvious that you think they are stupid. Its difficult to ignore something that irritating and why should anybody ignore it? I very much doubt that people would ignore it if cloning happened.... emo isnt very much different a group of people who think act dress pretty much the same if not exactly the same. Why should we ignore it? They are everywhere and the way they behave you cant help but notice them so why not use that against them and laugh at them so that they realise how stupid they actually look.
My bf just bought some emo CD's lol ive spent all day taking the piss out of him for it..... ill have to re educate him now.
>>By spookygoth (Friday, 9 Jun 2006 19:23)
yeah and how do we know emos are not plotting together to overthrow the world's governments and install Panic! At the Disco as absolute rulers? You can't just ignore your enemies or they could start doing anything - they ruin enough stuff just by permeating their existence everywhere
>>By Sk8a H8a (Saturday, 10 Jun 2006 14:43)
Sk8a I wasn't telling you to keep your opinion to yourself, I was telling you I can't understand why people spend so long talking about things they don't like. All that time could be spent doing something you enjoy. But hey, maybe you enjoy laughing at emo kids. Who am I to decide whether or not that's sad? I don't care one way or the other, but this post is almost long enough for me to be a hypocrite now so I'm going to go and read a book.
>>By Flagg (Sunday, 11 Jun 2006 10:32)
>They are everywhere and the way they behave you cant help but notice them so why not use that against them and laugh at them so that they realise how stupid they actually look.
Because that's not very nice. Duh.
I've just read some more of the posts and listen, really, I know the board is here to give your opinions, I respect your opinions, I don't like emo kids either, I think they're annoying and laughable too. But I really, genuinely don't understand how you people can try and justify laughing at someone and build some sort of philosophy around it. Your wonderful 'comeback', your wet fish to the face, seems to be an attempt to paint yourselves as righteous warriors crusading for a better society. What you're really doing is sniggering at people. Honestly Sk8a, comparing emos to Hitler. Yes I'm sure if everyone had laughed at Hitler's tash right from the start there wouldn't have been a holocaust or a war.
I'm not saying your opinions are worthless or that no one wants to hear them. But now you've made them heard, wouldn't you rather go and do something you enjoy? Live a little, you know?
>>By Flagg (Sunday, 11 Jun 2006 10:55)
crusading for a better society no.... trying to stop it from being screwed over more than it is yeah.
and no not sniggering because sniggering is done behind there backs... and if its done behind their backs well then it wont work will it? were not saying we are out and out nasty to them... but everybody including you knows emo kids are fucking stupid... except emo kids... and if no one shows tham how stupid they are being they wont ever grow up.
the good thing about emos.... well maybe good is too strong a word but well the handy thing is that emos take things around them in like a sponge in a bath tub ... at first they think nothing of the laughing and laugh along with it and then it dawns on them that your right and theres one less emo in the world.
if we spent all the time being nice about everything then the sad fact of life is wed get absolutely no where with pretty much everything just because nothing ever changes or gets sorted unless you put your foot down... not just with emo fads but with everything. its a shame but its the damned truth.
im not being funny with you but you said...... "I can't understand why people spend so long talking about things they don't like. All that time could be spent doing something you enjoy" yet your still here arent u?
you have put your point across and you have said the same as we have about emo kids... and yet you are still here debating it with us too.
has it crossed your mind though that maybe talking to people who have the same or similar views as you on a subject is quite satisfying? i enjoy talking to people who appreciate and hate some of the same things as me and well if i can talk to people who dislike emo kids like i do well then i think thats a nice thing.... its not where all sitting getting red in the face with anger about it were just talking about something we have a common ground on.
>>By spookygoth (Sunday, 11 Jun 2006 12:19)
Hear hear... I also enjoy discussing these things - it's good to remind myself that the whole world hasn't gone insane but I also enjoy debating these things with people like you, Flagg... so I am doing something I enjoy - anyway, it only takes a couple of minutes to make a post
As for not being nice, I don't really think the media's stance is particularly nice - they convert people to emos so they can get them all to watch MTV 24/7 and buy their stupid merchandise and your response to this is being polite to emos? I think of it as insulting the image whilst holding respect for the person behind the emo... I'm not trying to make society a wonderful place - I'm just sick of seeing emos everywhere and I'm trying to get rid of them
>>By Sk8a H8a (Sunday, 11 Jun 2006 12:51)
What I meant was, I don't see how laughing at them is going to get rid of them. You say you're not trying to make society wonderful, but you still claim you're doing something about 'the emo problem'. You're not. Emo kids will die out whether you laugh at them or not.
Ok, I accept that you enjoy debates and you enjoy talking with people who share your views. But I still don't understand it. I just think it's childish, laughing at them, and I think it's defensive too. I think if you were completely happy with yourself you wouldn't feel the need to laugh at emo kids. I think you feel left out of something because you don't want to be part of the emo scene, and I think you feel, without ever acknowledging it, hurt when you see a big group of boys and girls laughing and having fun in their emo clothes. I believe that because it applies to me too, and I know you've probably heard it before, and I know you'll deny it, and I know that I might be wrong, but
that is the impression you give.
>>By Flagg (Monday, 12 Jun 2006 13:02)
well impressions arnt reality.. i do hang around in a big group and if anything id rather not be in one all the time so i dont envy emos for hanging around with anothe rmillion emos one little bit.. they very much annoy me that much is true but not because im nothappy with myself... not one person can say there isnt something that botheres them about their personality and im not exception... emos piss me off not only because they thrive off being like everybody else but because unlike everybody else they don thave the ability to grow up and deal with anything that heads that way... mummy and daddy pick up the pieces for them or they just ignore it and let some other poor so and so cop for the shit they pull.. they really are the living definition of mindless... they dont think for themselves they dont take responsibilty for anything they cause or do or get involved in... and if it would be anybody else dressed any other way people would think it was odd or that that person was abit weird or whatever..... so why does being emo suddenly exempt you from responsibility and blame and judgement?
it shouldnt is the fact of the matter... emos get laughed at because they deserve it.... at least! some of em deserve a damn kick up the backside for some of the gay stuff they do and then just act like its normal because really its not... its like they were deprived of childhood and feel that they have to catch up... and people have been taken into care, locked up and examined for menatl problems for less than that.... i kid you not i had a friend who was treated psychiatricly for stair diving when he was drunk... it led to him snapping his collar bone and people thought it was odd (and it was odd hes like 22) doctors came to the decision that he wanted to harm himself intentionally and told him they thougt he had manic depression..... just for a drunken prank.... emos do worse when they are sober....
if you ignore an emo they carry on about their business... you laugh at one at least they become aware your watching them and tone it down. It speeds up the process of fading it out or having it come crashing down... more people take notice of the stupid stuff they are doing when someone is laughing at it and the more people that see it the more people that dislike it and if more people dislike it them someone has to start another stupid fad because emo wont be cool anymore....
society will never be wonderful by the way... no one is trying to do that but id like to be able to walk somewhere without a bunch of muppets running around squeeling and pushing eachother into passers by and what not.
>>By spookygoth (Monday, 12 Jun 2006 18:05)
Right on!
It's hardly a matter of gloriously doing something about "the emo problem" - I'm sure I wouldn't mind them if they were a very small minority but it's more the problem that there are hardly any non-emos around that I find frustrating - since I generally can't get along with emos (only a generalisation - not 100% true), I find myself, as an individual, pushed into an even smaller minority... look at it this way: before emos, there were "moshers" - either there were hardly any of them or they were so inoffensive that I didn't notice them, so about 50% (I guess) of the people my age were chavs and the other half just weren't... broadly they were inoffensive people, maybe categorised into a million other different social groupings in some way with only a very few true individuals, but most of these people weren't following some stupid dress code that made them noticeable from a mile away and also dominating all the popular music that wasn't basic pop... however these days we still have the 50% of chavs but now another third seem to be emos and "alternative" society has adjusted to appeal to emos - I can't go out to a club and meet cool "alternative" people any more for fear of being surrounded by emos
Emos have stolen society and this is a guerilla war to get it back... if you'll define that as "you feel left out of something", so be it, but don't think I'm not happy with myself - I just miss all the people who didn't use to be emos
>>By Sk8a H8a (Tuesday, 13 Jun 2006 11:38)
not only that but the narrow minded chav population associate emos with the rest of the alternative scene.. and its really not improving the situation at all... we try and stay out of troubles way but then emo comes along and makes their presence very well known.. im fed up of getting stick but im being associated with them its really very annoying knowing that i try to stay out of trouble for a bunch of idiots to drop me in it anyway.. i may as well being the one causing trouble if im going to be facing the consequences for their actions.. this is what i meant before about them not accepting responsibilty for the stupid things they do and leaving every1 else to pick up the pieces.... if they wanna behave like muppets well so be it i can think of a better use of life but whatever its when they then run away from what ever they just caused and let others get dropped in it... its unfair... what if 1 day emo takes their childish antics 1 step further and like rob a shop and then leave a passer by to get blamed and arrested for it? would trying to make them see how stupid they are be bad then? would you heck youd be pretty annoyed i would think.
and before anybody goes on at me... oo emos dont do that..... you wanna go to manchester and check out aphlex palace... emos think its funny to steal from the shops in there.... 1 emo got caught the other week and literally got chucked out sono i dont have any sypmathy for em what so ever... that shop has been around as a sanctuary and a 1 of a kind shop since when my mum was a child and even before that and to see it being slowly run into the ground coz of them is a damn shame if nothing else..im sure there not the first to do it but ive certainly not heard people brag about it like they do. since when has stealing ever been cool or acceptable.
>>By spookygoth (Wednesday, 14 Jun 2006 19:00)
Good example with Afflecks there... emos taking over the things we hold sacred and with anyone in the alternative scene being linked with emos (because most of them now ARE emo...), people like myself are equated with emos and thus we receive a lot of the abuse aimed at emos because they don't take the responsibility for it
>>By Sk8a H8a (Wednesday, 14 Jun 2006 20:37)
Alright, so I'm on that site Vampire Freaks ... and I'm in this cult for emos, and another that's against emo haters ... and I appreciate if I could have a list of things that are wrong with emos. Like a numbered list, maybe of up to 10 things? Thanks, woot! And yeah, I gave into the labeling thing, because you can't avoid, think what you may of me. =D
>>By Wednesday (Thursday, 15 Jun 2006 01:33)
1. emos know nothing about music but claim to listen to emo music which is meant to mean emotive/emotional.... there is nothing extra ordinarily emotional about teenagers whos balls havent dropped talking about how thier girlfriends dumped them or how they went to strip clubs with burlesque queens (panic at the disco if youd care to disagree with me listen to their album my bf has it and they sing about gay shit)
2 they conform to anything ... i imagine they would all throw themselves off a bridge if they thought it was cool.
3 they are utterly disrespectful to any non emo and that includes oap and their own families.
4 its disgusting seeing sum1 walking around with there pants round their knees showing off thier underwear...
5 that includes with girls and i have come to realise in recent bus journeys that emo girls wear terrible flowery boy short things that make them look like butch lesbians or maybe they just borrowed their younger brothers boxers coz non of thier knickers were washed yet.
6 i have never ever met any kind of person that could posibliy find hours of amusement in destroying things other than psycho paths and people arrested for criminal damage
7 emos are fashionable criminals thinking its cool to steal.... and they probably would steal from thier own grandmas or ill relatives if someone told them it was cool to do it
8 they give any other kind of alternative a bad name with some of the idiotic things they do and that promotes alot of bad attention to the alternatives that have done nothing to deserve it.
9. they dont accept responsibilty for anything they have done and allow everyone else to pick up the pieces.... they have no regard for anybody else but the emo kind and never will.
10 their stupidity is overwhelming.... my example the guy with the bass guitar...
11. they brag about thier bass playing/musical talent and when it comes down to it they have very little.
12... the male emos have an unhealthy obsession with porn and if i have to sit on the bus and here some woman moaning and wailing from another emo phone again because they are showing off the most recent trashy clip they found i will literally ram the damn thing up the next emos arse probe it as far up as i can with a stick and make him retrieve it in public for all to laugh at
13 they dont actually realise the majority of the time that people are laughing right at them... they think that the pointing and laughing means they are popular and funny.
o you only said 10 that took me all of 5 minutes if that too do i could probably reel off more...
bet you wasnt banking on me actually finding 10 or more things tho... lol
or course there are some emos who are exempt from all this but on the whole there are more than 10 things that most emos are/do that is irritating/stupid/offensive/etc.
>>By spookygoth (Thursday, 15 Jun 2006 22:16)
Woot, nice list, but I've a few questions and comments:
1. In #4, with the underwear thing, isn't that a "gangsta"/skater thing?
2. In #5, I've no clue what you're talking about.
3. #6, woot, rock stars destroy things all the time (Billy Idol)
4. #7, funniest thing I ever heard, no lie, and the statement is probably true, except I like my grandma
5. #10, can't argue over, that bass guy, complete fool
6. #11, most bass parts aren't complicated, in any type of music really (at least punk related)
7. #12, porn makes me sad ... too much of a waste of time, go and get some of your own (sex I mean, not porn)
8. I completely thought you'd come up with 10 reasons and more, because people have their own reasons for things and that's cool with me. I have my own opinions on emo, even though I can sometimes be counted among them, willingly and not so much. But, this really wasn't a "braggy" thing, where I was trying to see if your hatred was well founded, I just wanted to know reasons because I truely wanted to know. Simple as that, I was curious. Now, if you don't mind, I can share this list with some people on VF?
>>By Wednesday (Thursday, 15 Jun 2006 22:56)
1. No it isn't it's emo
2. Get over it
3. Rock stars can afford to destroy stuff and pay the bills
4. Yeees...
5. All emo bassists are like that
6. Excuse me?! Punk bass lines are simple? Get lost... you ain't listening to the right kind of punk and anyway, what is "pumk related"? Bass lines are generally not simple unless the bassist makes them so... EMO bass lines are generally uninventive and dull, admittedly... but that's not the case in most other genres!
7. Are you male? No...
8. There really are many many more reasons for emo hatred... you shouldn't put that list on an website where American emos will assume it applies to them because if you honestly doing get the underwear thing or the other stuff, American emos obviously ain't the same as British emos - end of
>>By Sk8a H8a (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 00:26)
Actually, I haven't seen a single emo ever to have his pants down and showing off his underwear. That IS a skater/gangster thing, not an emo thing.
And reading over it, laughing at someone over what they want to do is like I laughed at you for playing bass guitar. If I laugh at you and say "Bass guitar is for losers!" is that going to convince you to quit playing bass guitar? I don't give me any of this bullshit where emo is dumb and bass isn't, but if they thought that about being emo, they wouldn't BE emo.
>>By Urbane (Friday, 16 Jun 2006 04:59)
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