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Discussion: Emo I'm well aware of what prejudice is, silly... and by "most people" I meant that there are more people would accept that spookygoth is right than those who would argue that it means something else - if this topic is so uninteresting to you, why do you keep posting on here? >>By Sk8a H8a Oh so not most people then. And even then by that blatant twist only at a guess since you'll only be aware of a tiny subset of views obviously. So basically aren't you just promoting your own prejudiced view and additionally in a manner which you have conceded is basically a misrepresentation? You claim you know what prejudice means. Is that in the same way you know what slander means or some more orthodox meaning of the verb "to know"? I'm happy to answer your question when you answer those of mine which you previously evaded by claiming not to understand them, althought you also curiously state quite unequiviciably that you are "highky conversant" with the English language. >>By planet ear I am highly conversant in English, yes... that doesn't mean I understand words like "unequiviciably" or spell highly with a K... and you presumably mean "unorthodox" there, or are you just being ridiculously sarcastic? Either way, you've turned this argument into a complete bigland and yet you're the one demanding the apologies >>By Sk8a H8a Oh sometimes I can be sarcastic ;) So since you are highly conversant with English (and no one could call YOU boastful could they?) is it your logical thought processes that are at fault or are you just plain wrong most of the time? >>By planet ear Call me boastful if you wish - nobody's perfect most of the time? I don't think that's fair... you're just avoiding seriously controversial topics where your arguments can be flawed whilst annoying everyone by detracting from this discussion >>By Sk8a H8a Oh I think I enhance enormously but hey that's just our differing opinion about what is entertaining. What isn't opinion is that I clearly did not demand an apology, I said I trusted I would receive one when you withdrew your shrill little misplaced accusation that I was slandering various contributors on this board. Which is precisely what happened isn't it? ;) >>By planet ear Planet Ear was right: emo really isn't a hugely important issue. This is what I was saying before Planet replaced me as most hated poster on this board. Sk8a H8a and Spookygoth dreaming up all this crap about how emo is threatening the fabric of society and the only way to stop it is if they make fun of emo kids as much as possible. >>By Flagg Maybe the UK Emo-baiting Society really wanted an inarticulate emo kid to argue with? >>By planet ear no one is saying is a hugely important issue... i think there was some reference to media influense but they involve themselves with absolutely everything possible. But what else are people supposed to talk about on emo disccusion board. so emo isnt important no but the title emplies thats the subject for conversation, the bads of emos, the goods of emos, the whatever of emos. If it was an "important disccusion" board then emo wouldnt be part of it, however it isnt is it. i never sad emo was threatening either, id be more threatened by a paper fish in a river than emo, i said at the beginning of the posting that it was a fad that would more than likely be replaced soon enough with another annoying fad. Hence how we got onto the "mosher" discussion... we had moshers here who were just as annoying as emos.. who then just disappeared as emo came in. And the same will happen again when something new takes off. Anything i said remotely similar was to do with how rowdy alot of them are and some of the stuff they do. >>By spookygoth Spooky "no one is saying (emo) is a hugely important issue" Surely Sk8er was? "It's horrible - if this kind of ridiculous trend-following goes on, what's to stop right-wing extremists taking over the country? Hitler must have been emo - look at his hair! Well, what if they all vote for the next emo to declare himself saviour of the German people? It could happen... and I'm serious about that! The willingness of today's youth to follow such a stupid trend, combined with their lack of concern for politics, can only lead to political insecurity" Poor memory, selective memory, or blatant misrepresentation Spooky? >>By planet ear Ok, my bad, I should have made a distinction between Spooky and Sk8er, I'm sorry. But yeah Planet, that's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. I didn't say emo isn't important so you shouldn't discuss it, I just said what is the point of spending all this time laughing at these kids who aren't even here to appreciate your mean-spiritedness anyway? And Sk8er responded by claiming they were secretly trying to take over the world and that he had to stop them by belittling and insulting them. That's what I was arguing with before Planet Ear came in and started his inexplicable self-inflicted downward spiral into notoriety. Ok, I paraphrased a bit. >>By Flagg He was saying something along those lines flagg.. and planet ear was it not you who said that we should all be looking at it from another perspective? Well follow your own advice. That statement is wrong, in my opinion, no emo has the intelligence to take over the world,hitler only did it through circumstances. (i do not want the hitler argument back though dont go there!). I think he was maybe emphasising the point that emo seems to have grown and "taken over", as far as crappy trends go. Emo cant possibly take over if Emos are unitied on what they are about, there are so many variations of emo it would be impossible. And yes i would appreciate that if your going to kick lumps out of eachother and pick at arguments you could at least distinguish between us, you will find that previous to recent posts me and sk8er didnt exactly see eye to eye on afew issues either. But we got over that. So yes it would be appreciated thank you flagg. >>By spookygoth That advice was offered before I realized the concept was utterly beyond you Spooks, don't worry you can always go back saying how Emos have daft haircuts or whatever it is that floats your boat today. >>By planet ear I don't deny that I was exaggerating somewhat back then - I don't see this as the point though, because at the time I made that statement, I wasn't arguing with some pedantic old man who acts like he knows everything but doesn't really know anything specific to the topic being discussed... I also didn't think it likely that such an element would be introduced to the discussion - if I could have predicted it becoming this ridiculous, I'd have said nothing... it's all very well to blow my arguments out of proportion - I'm sure nobody really thought that I meant emos had plans for actual world domination http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Emo-Hitler But who knows? >>By Sk8a H8a I think the emo-Nazi thing proves that I can be tongue-in-cheek about the whole issue, whereas planet ear just rubbed everyone up the wrong way with what he obviously thinks is funny - very anti-social of you, planet ear - very emo >>By Sk8a H8a "It could happen... and I'm serious about that" Sk8er So when you actually say you're serious you're not ? How perplexing.... >>By planet ear But Sk8a, that was the only argument you had against what I was saying. If you were joking then shouldn't you concede that I was right? Well I guess not, as what I was saying was really subjective. I was asking why you want to spend your time a certain way, which of course I had no right to do, but honestly... emos taking over? It's not even funny as a joke, but Planet is right, you did APPEAR serious. >>By Flagg Well I think in a somewhat public place you have the right to express an opinion or ask a question Flagg, maybe it's clearer to say that Sk8er and Spooky have the right to choose not to answer? The impresion I've formed is that it seems plausible "The UK Emo-baiting Society" post here with the intention of winding up Emos and appearing "big" Which is perhaps why Sk8er repeatedly sulkily protests about me creating my own "bigland"? Is Sk8er serious about any given point? Sheesh, I'm actually not sure, or sure that I care a great deal either way. It seems to me that when people reach a point of blatantly contradicting themselves they've either changed their minds or have/had nothing of any great significance or well-considered to impart. Is that a bad thing? Maybe, maybe not. I suppose it depends on what one imparts, maybe it's just a form of entertainment? Since I'm not in training for an attempt on the "most rhetorical questions in one post" world record I'll leave it there for present. >>By planet ear i dont think he was saying it to get one over on you flagg more to make a point and get you to see it that way... like you did back then you made a point and tried to drive it home so that the people who thought differently would see it your way and understand what you meant. I dont think he ever intended it to come out as he genuinly thought they would take over the world. But to speak of emos they did annoy me today... there were hmm what 5 emos sat behind me on a ride at alton towers today, not too bothered emos are just emos until they do something stupid.... which they did... they must have been over their twenties or something (which is possibly the oldest i have ever seen an emo too), and they where kicking the chairs, shouting gay stuff at people, singing a stupid tune the whole way round and trying to rock the ride.... two of them are potentially dangerous and the other two where just immature and annoying when dangling from a great height! I wouldnt be so bothered by them if whenever i came into contact with one they didnt do something stupider than the music or image, everyone goes through phases, theyl grow out of that, but the behaviour is just terrible sometimes. >>By spookygoth well for anyone who is interested N.M.E. has a huge article on emo and the controversy it has caused >>By scarletnikki But that's unfair Spooky. They weren't doing idiotic stuff because they're emo, they were doing it because they're idiots. Any other social label/group you can think of might have been doing that stuff and you would have been just as annoyed. >>By Flagg Is that article online, scarletnikki? Maybe it could help planet ear out... being emo doesn't cause someone to turn into an idiot... but it's idiots who choose to become emos, identify themselves as such with the stupid dress code and then do stupid stuff, demonising the whole of emo, when in reality, most emos are just people who like to dress stupidly, have loads of friends on myspace and listen to Panic! At The Disco - annoyingly, part of the emo culture seems to involve acting like babies in public, but I'd hardly say that's the, defining element... the emo culture is partly responsible for encouraging them to act like this, but it's mainly just British teen culture in general... it being uncool to act maturely etc... nobody wants to take an interest in politics, which is what I was talking about before Flagg started taking my words literally and then some ignoramus accused us of being prejudiced... I actually enjoyed this discussion when it was a bit more light-hearted and we didn't have everyone at each other's throats >>By Sk8a H8a Delusional. >>By planet ear Emo. >>By Sk8a H8a not saying it was purely because they were emo... never said it was because they were emo they were doing but i did say i had another bad emo experience.. the fact of the matter is they wernt anybody else they were emo and it seems that half the time it is emos doing stuff like that... had it have been chavs doing it then i would have been complaining in a chav forum about bad chav experience... if there is one, not sure there is but maybe someone should start one. I would have been just as annoyed if they had have been anyone else... but had they have been anyone else i wouldnt have mentioned it here. IT does seem to be an emo thing to just act like idiots. Like my friend who turned emo..nice guy and everything but him and his emo friends spend all their time going to manchester and doing all sorts of stuff. >>By spookygoth Quite exactly >>By Sk8a H8a www.findyourtribe.co.uk This thing categorised me as an emo! Not impressed... >>By Sk8a H8a hey spooky, have you seen screenshots for Tekken 5? made my mouth water. >>By Flagg findyourtribe, classed me as a goth,but if i have any pink in my wardrobe apparantly that makes me lean towards emo!!!!(which I have to admit i do!) one wardrobe of all black and one of all pink aaaarrrgggghhhh! >>By scarletnikki hahahaha I found that a lot of the questions were very stupid in that they make assumptions based on your previous answers... I mean, I don't wear pink and I don't wear crucifixes but I had to choose one or the other... how stupid is that? >>By Sk8a H8a
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