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Discussion: Emo Bunch of hypocrites. Every one of you is saying 'we need to be more polite to eachother and stop attacking eachother personally when we're supposed to be discussing emo.' All you're doing is attacking eachother personally. If you want to discuss emo then do. From here it looks like what you really want is to insult eachother. >>By Flagg Well I've never said anyone needed to more polite, or on-topic, or not attack my or anyone elses opinions logically and reasonably if they wish. I do feel free to comment on any opinion or statement presented as fact though (and sometimes suggest other ways of looking at things) but that's what discussion is surely? But if someone wants to say I'm slandering them then I'd like them to justify that because otherwise aren't they effectively slandering me? I'm not sure how would be hypocritical Flagg? I do find it rather funny how ppl who participate on the board to "laugh at Emos" react to tho.... Guys (UK Emo-baiting society) ......I really really hate to break it to you but the "mantras" are just a comedic device, a way of saying "perhaps you could just try thinking differently for a moment or two" ... Ommmmm ;) >>By planet ear Just recently you called spookygoth a bare-faced hypocrite - I'm not gonna go back reading through the discussion to find more insults though >>By Sk8a H8a Someone who critises others for their supposed rudeness when she has made numerous insults to others is in my opinion blatantly a hypocrite. I stick by my comment. >>By planet ear Slander, sk8er, is not insulting someone, it's circulating a malicious falsehood (usually orally). Perhaps if you bothered to use the English language a little more carefully it would save trouble. I'm still waiting for you either to withdraw that accusation with some form of apology or state precisely what malicious falsehood you believe I have contributed on this board. >>By planet ear no she is blatentely defensive not a hypocrit, i am not one of those who has said we should be more polite to eachother as a matter of fact. Therefore a hypocrit i am not. Your rudeness yes is a problem but i have not said anywhere that no one else has been rude.. my issue is that still to this very moment you have said a word about emo, and while the discussion isnt about emo now at least the rest of us had something to say on the subject before your appearance. Now you can argue that we are hypocritical for this that or the other, or whatever else you regard us as, but the fact of the matter is that you still havent posted about the topic, because you simply know nothing about it and have given us no reason to assume otherwise. Oh and in the respect that you havent discussed the topic with us, it is maybe you that should be thinking differently for a moment or two. You can hardily tell people to think differently about the whole emo thing when you have, 1 not yourself spoke about it, 2 have not provided us with a valid opposing arguement. Hmm sounds to me like we arnt the only ones bordering on hypocritical. Experiences give us reason to believe that what we say is correct, your mantras dont and until we hear your side of it we wont think any differently on the subject. And flagg i actually left for awhile because it was out of hand, and i came back awhile later hoping that the emo discussion had returned, and so i could find out if death cab for cutie had been labelled emo or not, since thats the last emo related thing we said, i tried to regain the detah cab for cutie discussion but it was not to be. You will also find in every post that we have encouraged planet ear to talk about emo, but with no luck, how are we supposed to talk about a subject when the people in the discussion wont join in? Surely then we would be accused of singling people out of the discussion. It a no win situation which ever way you look at it. But since your here... do you think death cab for cutie are classed as emo or not? I dont think they are but i still dont personally like them, they miss something. >>By spookygoth "(and sometimes suggest other ways of looking at things) but that's what discussion is surely?" Now who is the hypocrit? You havent suggested a damn thing about THIS discussion which is EMO. You came here and changed it and have not posted a single emo related one since you have arrived. Its only a discussion if the people are talking abotu the same thing, we were talking about emo and you was not, that is not a discussion thats a bunch of people just talking, or a discussion with one person chattering away about something else. So say we was talking about kittens and you sugested something about atronaughts and your opinions on that, is that a valid and sane discussion is it? No a discussion normally accures when the people in it talk about the same subject to eachother. You have not done that, so no your not discussing anything, we were discussing stuff, and while we sometimes disagreed if you read over you will see that we at least had some respect for the opposing opinion. You havent given one, youve started a completely different conversation, which is in itself quite rude if you want to be pointing a finger, would you walk into a room and tell people you dont like there discussion and start a new one? No because its rude to do so but that is what you have effectively done here, you didnt want to talk about emo so you turned it into something else. >>By spookygoth Spooky when I joined in the discussion wasn't about "Emo" as a musical style, it largely consisted of certain individuals including yourself discussing "emos" and "chavs". I made the comments I did because I found several contributors attitude both offensive and prejudiced. I would express much the same sentiments if the targets were "goths" and "hippies" or "nu-metallers" and "punks" it actually isn't relevant what my personal experience or opinion of emos is or isn't. I clearly joined in the ongoing discussion as it was. Sk8er later made a plea to change the topic and I decided only to respond in the most minimal of ways to your and others barely civilised comments having apologised if anyone felt unduly wound-up by my posts (if a reader understands the points I made (largely concerning the uncritical use of pejorative language) which seem to evade the intellectual grasp of some posters here, and feels wound-up rather than thoughtful then I suggest they consider the influence of their ego on their opinions). I would be curious as a musician to find out a little more what the genre actually is about musically just to keep abreast of things, which seemed a reasonable expectation in looking at an "emo" board, instead of a discussion of the music by fans of the genre or the curious I discovered a tirade of petty and childish abuse against those not present to defend themselves. Dissappointing. >>By planet ear Are "Goths" just "Emos" with a better brand image? ;) >>By planet ear I am highly conversant in the English language, planet ear - I know what slander means and hold that you were slandering spookygoth by calling her a hypocrite - if posting on an Internet discussion board doesn't count as circulation, I'd like to know a more efficient way of doing it... And now you've slandered me by posting about my apparently poor English If you wanted to know about emo as a musical style, perhaps you should have read the first few pages of the discussion? So don't say you're disappointed in our conversation because we refuse to repeat ourselves for those who can't be bothered to read from the start... don't say we're childish and petty just because you don't understand what we're talking about... and like I said, go find some emos and tell them your opinions And don't compare Goths with emos in that way... Goth was not based on a musical culture like emo was and nor is it as ridiculous - stop making such uneducated comments, please - if you wish to learn, all you have to do is ask but don't be so arrogant about it >>By Sk8a H8a Drivel. >>By planet ear I suggest you complain to whoever moderates the board Sk8er if you're not prepared to withdraw the accusation. >>By planet ear All I'm saying is, if you lot were serious about having a rational, considered discussion about emo as a genre of music then that's what you'd be doing. Instead you're hurling insults at eachother. You've talked about emo, a bit. You've talked about what that word means to you, which seems to be more the sub-culture than the music, which is fair enough. Now you just want an argument. Sk8a and Spooky, if p.e. suddenly started talking about emo as a style of music and what he thinks of it, would that be anywhere near as stimulating or entertaining as the discussion is right now? Of course not. It would be boring as all hell. Let's face it, most of these boards are pretty boring if you just stick to discussing the band, that's why they're all so empty. Everyone who liked the band turns up and says 'This band are amazing, my favourite song is x, it makes me feel y and z.' then leaves. That's fine. But on a board with an ambigious name like emo, people see an opportunity for an argument and we leap on it. I read a book recently by Chuck Palahniuk, which said something along the lines of ''All we've done since we came into this world is bitch, bitch, bitch.'' Maybe this applies to life in general, maybe not, but I certainly think it applies here. Now you're all going to disagree with me and I'm going to sit here and act all smug and go ''Told you so.'' Kind of like when a psychologist says ''You're in denial'' and the patient goes ''No I'm not!'' and the psychologist goes ''See.?'' Spooky, I'm not sure. I think I associate their name with emo, but I've never listened to them. I don't really have any intention to either, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like them. >>By Flagg Sk8er it is perfectly possible to be both conversant in a language and careless in its use (I do not know whether you have been and make no comment on that matter). Do you agree a number of your contributions would seem to contain statements of this rather evasive yet often persuasive character? At present I haven't formed a firm opinion regarding whether you do this to avoid points of debate in a deliberately frustrating manner, or through genuine self-deception, or for some other reason of which I have been unable to conceive at present. I would welcome your opinion on the matter. Perhaps you could also provide a more plausible alternative to my thoughts regarding the source of your expressed irritation at my contributions to this board? Since you have decided this should now be the current topic of the board (although I have no knowledge of why you feel you have earned or been awarded the status of "Director of Conversation on the UK Emo-baiting Board" (sic)) I again would welcome your opinion on the matter. >>By planet ear planet ear, I have no idea what you're talking about now - I am utterly sick of this discussion >>By Sk8a H8a Sk8er You have clearly claimed to be "highly conversant" with the English language, I believe that my last post is in reasonably good English. I suggest you read it again. Maybe the reason you are claiming not to understand it is you have no credible and logical response you would wish to post in public for fear of embarassment? You have I believe made three accusations that I have slandered firstly everyone on this board, secondly "Spookygoth" and thirdly yourself. I have I believe utterly refuted one of those accusations and believe if I were so inclined I could continue in a similar vein to refute the others. I have been both offended and distressed by these accusations. You have made it clear you do know the meaning of slander... so you will then presumably appreciate the consequences of such an accusation unless you were perhaps misrepresenting your knowledge? I have I believe at earlier points made timely and civil requests for you to withdraw the accusation(s) offering some form of apology which I indicated civily that I was minded to accept . Instead of doing so you have chosen to respond with further accusations of slander and insulting language (unless you are claiming you be arrogance to be a virtue?) have you not? I would be grateful if you would indicate unambiguously whether you are a member of any legal or allied profession or have sought professional legal advice prior to making those accusations or at any point subsequently. Further, I would be grateful if you would without further delay offer an unambiguous withdrawl of those accusations in the same forum in which they were made and apologise for the offence and distress you have caused to me which I am minded to accept on the understanding that you will i) conduct yourself in an entirely civil and reasonable fashion towards me in any communication that passes between us and ii) will not misrepresent my character or words in any other form of communication. I have not sought legal advice at this point and trust it will not be necessary as you will now withdraw your accusations without delay. Regards >>By planet ear " I have I believe at earlier points made timely and civil requests for you to withdraw the accusation(s) offering some form of apology which I indicated civily that I was minded to accept . Instead of doing so you have chosen to respond with further accusations of slander and insulting language (unless you are claiming you be arrogance to be a virtue?) have you not?" An apology is niether here nor there if you then continue to do that which you apologised for, surely a man/boy of your apparent intelligence knows that, but yet you seem to ignore it. "I have been both offended and distressed by these accusations. You have made it clear you do know the meaning of slander... so you will then presumably appreciate the consequences of such an accusation unless you were perhaps misrepresenting your knowledge?" Now why is it that when you are offended we should all bow down and apologise to you, but you have equally if not more so offended us with similar accusations and yet that does not seem to matter. I certainly shall not apologise and if you wish to talk this matter further then that is fine but you will find no apology for the acusation of hypocrasy that you threw at myself and sk8er in the above texts, and regardless of the fact that we pointed out that it was not hypocrasy, you have supplied no form of apology or shown any remorse. So you might find that we are well within our legal rights. You might also find that while you are trying to prosecute us for such things, you will in effect probably get flork shut down should the claim be taken seriously since the owner/s of flork have a duty of care to moderate the forum, of which they have not. Should you be petty enough to take your claim higher i shall inform you of what will happen. You can complain to the owner of flork, who from my personal experience doesnt deal with complaints made about the discussion boards, i have complained about someone before (not you or anyone on this particular board but someone being excessively offensive, racist to the english people,insulting my upbringing and far far worse than anything seen on here). Nothing was done, infact not even a reply so it will do you no good. You can go further but since the whole of the text is still saved here and i will save it myself also incase you do so, you will find yourself either having your case thrown out for provoking comments, or find yourself being laughed out of proceedings or action taken against yourself for some of the comments you have made here SINCE your supposed apology. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face, i don believe you would however take action and should you do so i very much doubt anything will come of it because they dont just look at the parts that you tell them to, they look at the whole of the evidence and youw ill find that what has been said has been valid, in context with alligations you have thrown around yourself. Flagg your right i will probably disagree, because the fact of the matter is i left the forum for this very reason, and returned in the hope that the emo discussion had returned and while the old discussion wasnt soley about the music it was still relevant to emo. None of this is, and while this is probably slightly more heated than an emo discussion, i cant quite say im here for an arguement, i can do that anytime, anywhere if i chose and here is not one of the places i chose to do it, i really just want to talk about emo, if i wanted to fight planet ear i would just send him abusive messages in the hope for a response. But i dont i wish to hear his views on emo, which i and others have requested but have received nothing from our requests. Death cab for cutie, i came to the conclusion they had an emo name also but was informed that they were not emo, and emo probably not no but never the less they suck as far as i am concerned. Planet ear, sk8er is right if you sincerely wished to learn about emo music you would have read the whole thing not just the most recent. You have just proven that you came here to cause a ruck and just to be involved with an argument rather than to learn about emo music and culture i suppose. The debate we were having came directly from a discussion about the music, a discussion which you had not read so of course did not clearly understand the roots of. Had you have read it you may have been able to make a more valid argument in relation to the whole topic, you cant blame anybody else for your laziness im afraid. So what do you regard as emo planet ear. If you want to know about goth find a goth discussion or look it up, you will find that they are entirely different, for one gothism is not at all popular whereas emo insanely is and derived from completely different sources. >>By spookygoth sorry fr the typos. i was in a rush and i forgot to check over, but im sure planer ear wont mind since hes planning on showing the forum to a judge, wouldnt want to incriminate himself. lol ;) >>By spookygoth Spooky If I might quote you Spooky " I have I believe at earlier points made timely and civil requests for you to withdraw the accusation(s) offering some form of apology which I indicated civily that I was minded to accept . Instead of doing so you have chosen to respond with further accusations of slander and insulting language (unless you are claiming you be arrogance to be a virtue?) have you not?" An apology is niether here nor there if you then continue to do that which you apologised for, surely a man/boy of your apparent intelligence knows that, but yet you seem to ignore it. What exactly is your point? Are you making a threat of legal action against me for slander on Sk8ers behalf? Or is it just illogical inconsequential drivel? ;) I can't bothered to read the rest of your post at present since I dislike reading prose where the author either doesn't know what they are attempting to communicate or has singularly failed to do so in a clear manner. >>By kind of blue Oops sorry forgot I wasn't logged in on my account, same author in this instance >>By planet ear I think you've misunderstood my post Spooky, I haven't threatened any action, I don't need to: he's the one accusing me of slander. >>By planet ear oh. my. god. how out of hand can this get?? We are all entitled to our opinions,and through discussion,we should be able to learn something.which i believe,deep down we are all wanting to know about emo,whether its the music or the culture,good,bad or indifferent,. The hatred has to stop,or this discussion will have to stop,because it is just insults going around in a circle, with one person refusing to stop. >>By scarletnikki it can't go around in a circle with only one participant scarlett, it is quite comically out of hand I agree though! Can we do this in the manner of a Victorian Melodrama? Sir Planet Ear: Sir Sk8er are you not a man whose unexamined prejudices constitute the only visible support of his fragile self-esteem? Sir Sk8er: No. You, Sir Planet, are a rude cynical ignoramus who seeks to slanderously imply I may consult a dictionary from time to time. Spookywench: Go on hit 'im sir! 'It 'im now before he talks again Sir. Beggin' your pardon most 'umbly Sir (curtsies) Vile Valourless: Fuck off Planet! Fuck off back to... to.... another planet you musta come from! (Smiles in a self-congratulatory way) Lady Red-Nick: Well said all of you except Planet! Must I endue further abuse concerning somebody else's literacy even though I can prove I can read.... (faints) Any takers? >>By planet ear I don't think Sk8a's listening. Thing is Spooky, you came back, and the argument is still going, and you joined in. Having said the whole Chuck Palahniuk thing, this is getting old now. I'm gonna play Tekken. Good luck continuing to flog this dead horse Planet, as I'm pretty sure you will. >>By Flagg Well I'm not sure Flagg.... Spooky did earlier advocate violence against those who challenge a persons' worldview, what if she found out where I live? >>By planet ear well,how pathetic. >>By scarletnikki Planet ear....I dare you to discuss your opinions on "emo",,,,go on....you can do it...................................! >>By scarletnikki whos kills a criminal become one as well (take it as a metaphora) so who insults(back or not) still the same my opinion only ab emo music give me a good band to listen i want to know more! >>By cora2003 Planet ear....if any of us knew where you lived,dont worry we would all make sure we were at the other end of the world. >>By scarletnikki haha should make u thing a little! before u say anything and insult (planet ear) >>By cora2003
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