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| Discussion: Company Flow I just bought Funcrusher Plus. Sounds great. >>By roman_candle It's a long album, I get the feeling I could do without several tracks, but some like Collude/Intrude, really stand out to me >>By roman_candle I suppose there's a meaning behind Last Good Sleep. Great example of honest, emotional story-telling in hip-hop. >>By roman_candle Only just bought it?? Talk about taking your time. Funcrusher's a classic, El-P's a genius. >>By Stinkfist I've been busy, kid >>By roman_candle Only kidding. I never considered that El-Producto was white, until I saw his picture in the booklet. Assuming, that's him of course. He sure doesn't "sound white", whatever that means. Do you agree? >>By roman_candle Yes that's him. He's big, white and red-haired. And no, he certainly doesn't sound white on the Co Flow records, but that's only because of his voice. You can easily tell he's white when you listen to his Def Jux-era stuff due to the lyrics. >>By Stinkfist It makes me wonder, who else in hip-hop is white? El-P is obviously very talented; maybe there is a greater representation of white folk in hip-hop (especially in production, mixing, mastering duties) than is generally conveyed. >>By roman_candle all of these are rappers unless specified: Aesop Rock (rapper/producer) Edan (rapper/producer) Cage Eyedea J-Treds Atmosphere (group, rapper + producer) Apathy Esoteric Non Phixion (group, 3 rappers + DJ) John Smith RJD2 (producer) Remedy DJ Shadow (producer) Copywrite Non-Prophets (group, rapper + producer) Blockhead (producer) Prefuse 73 (producer) Kno (producer for Cunninlynguists) All are white, all are very talented hip-hop artists. Atmosphere are probably the most popular indie hip-hop group around, and both DJ Shadow and RJD2 are legendary. Remedy is the only white member of the entire Wu-Tang Clan collective, Eyedea is arguably the best rapper alive. White people in hip-hop are everywhere my friend. >>By Stinkfist Seems as though "underground hip-hop" is fairly progressive. I had no idea that, say, Aesop Rock was white. How many of those guys put their face on their album covers, though, do you know? I don't think that "commercial hip-hop" is as integrated. I doubt that there are many white emcees signed to, say, Def Jam and Rocafella, and those who are, often seem to be treated as a bit of a gimmick (eg Bubba Sparxx). Anyway, what I was really getting at, is that I imagine that a lot of the faces you don't see in the hip-hop industry - the "ghost" producers, mixers, engineers, etc - are probably white. I could also say that they are almost exclusively male, but that's a whole other issue. >>By roman_candle The reason there aren't many white hip-hop artists in the more mainstream section of the genre is because it's an extremely narrow minded artform. The golden rules of mainstream hip-hop are as follows: it's cool to be black, it's very cool to have lots of sex and talk about it, it's extremely cool to shoot people, then completely contradict yourself by putting a god-fearing, peace & love preaching happy song on the same album. And you're right, all white MCs who have made it in mainstream hip-hop are gimmicky. A lot of people would say ''not Eminem!!'', but I think, especially Eminem. Also the few mould breaking artists in mainstream hip-hop, I'm talking Kanye West, Outkast, Lupe Fiasco and maybe Busta Rhymes, at a push, would all be considered very straight-laced and basic were they indie artists. Again, I could give you a lengthy list of excellent female indie artists who negate the need for female commercial rappers (who are uniformly awful, with the possible exception of Lauryn Hill, who's better as a singer anyway), but I won't bore you. And in answer to your first question, very few of them. Only Apathy, Copywrite, Atmosphere, and I think Remedy. But then again, most underground hip-hop albums, be they by black or white artists, do not have glorifying pictures of themselves stripped to the waist and covered in gold chains a la 50 Cent. >>By Stinkfist have you heard the disc Wu Tang Meets the Indie Culture? >>By roman_candle Yeah, it's OK. Production-wise it realy doesn't have that Wu vibe, but most of the collaborations are nice. Speaking of Wu-Tang and Co Flow, have you ever heard the song ''Hideyaface'' by Prefuse 73? It's an El-P and Ghostface Killah track, really awesome. >>By Stinkfist I like the RZA & Doom track but speaking of the 'Wu-Vibe', it seems to have missing since about 1996 on most of the collective's releases. In fact I'm almost at the point of vowing not to buy another Wu-Tang affiliated disc again, it is that frustrating. Masta Killa's "No Said Date" seems to be a conscious attempt at returning to a cohesive WU sound, but for whatever reason - maybe because it's Masta Killa (and not say GZA or Ghost) - I don't consider it a classic. I've heard the Prefuse 73 song now, thanks for making me aware of it. Aparently Ghostface appears on the Danger Doom album, which I haven't got yet. >>By roman_candle You are not logged in. To access all functionality, you can log in via Flork. Flork is a worldwide community of people who are interested in music, movies and books. 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